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#107443 - 09/27/16 07:06 PM Re: The Vidéoway emulation thread [Re: plgDavid]  
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Note about the VHS dump. I'm pretty confident the game code was encoded on extra cable channels using some form of common modem-like encoding of the day. Safe to say I'm 100% confident its not on the tape.

#107460 - 09/28/16 09:23 AM Re: The Vidéoway emulation thread [Re: plgDavid]  
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Nice project! Not unlikely they used DSM-CC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSM_CC) as transport since it is a cable box. The VHS would not have picked that up but if there was a DTV PVR of the time, any brand, and the DSM-CC was embedded in the same mux as the recorded program you may be able to extract it. It is likely it is embedded since otherwise you'll need two or more tuner/demodulators to be able to download side band data such as software upgrades, EPG posters and apps. I have even worked on a case where they used it if for progressive download of VoD titles.... which is very stupid.

So there may be PVR harddisks out there containing videoway games. I have tools and access to expertise to check that if I am given DTV PVR recordings from then, let me know if I can help.

EDIT: The modem is used for interactivity, that was the normal setup.

EDIT2: Just realized, PVR was introduced 1999 by Tivo & co, so the only chance to find Videoway software this way is if it were broadcasted later than that and we find a really early PVR hdd... slim chance frown

EDIT3: Yeahh and it is analog but has embedded data, hence the data acquisition circuit. There were almost no standards for data transmission at the time so chances are it uses all kinds of tricks like using all over scan lines for data.

EDIT4: I just read the patent, seem that they used 4Mbps HDLC modulated over RF, so no need to store it locally then and no need to put it on the analog signal. Quite cool but unfortunately chances to find the data packets are ceasing to exist...

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#107462 - 09/28/16 02:43 PM Re: The Vidéoway emulation thread [Re: Edstrom]  
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Could go to their building (a block from here) and plant a sign :
"FREE VIDEOWAY GAMES!"

#107464 - 09/28/16 02:51 PM Re: The Vidéoway emulation thread [Re: plgDavid]  
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It may not be such a bad idea, or to find someone that actually worked with it,
s/he is probably a manager now, and say that we would like to preserve
their legacy games for coming generations to enjoy. They could see it as
free PR to the Minecraft generation... especially if the games mentioned
Videoway and/or Videotron smile

#107467 - 09/28/16 03:06 PM Re: The Vidéoway emulation thread [Re: plgDavid]  
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They don't seem to care sadly. New is always better. sigh

#107478 - 09/28/16 10:58 PM Re: The Vidéoway emulation thread [Re: plgDavid]  
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Videotron do not care and will definitly not lift a finger to provide anything even with the historical preservation argument. I find it pretty narrowminded because I am certain that if they were to make a small plug and play console like they did for the sega genesis, atari and the soon to be released nintendo plug and play system, they would sell a few thousand unit provided it was marketted properly and to the right audience. There is plenty of 30's something that would buy it even at 40-50$ and I can also see many of the older generation would go for it. People tend to forget, but back when the Videoway was sold and used, theres was a huge number of baby boomer and elderly who were hooked on videoway games, and many of those peoples were not used to play any kind of videogame prior. And many of them stopped playing once the illico cable box replaced the videoway.

#107529 - 10/02/16 03:10 PM Re: The Vidéoway emulation thread [Re: plgDavid]  
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a bit offtopic, but here's a thread about TV broadcasts of ZX Spectrum software in Ukraine circa 1990-1991 -- apparently they simply sent unmodified audio output from cassette port: http://zx-pk.ru/threads/18394-translyatsiya-spektrumovskogo-softa-po-televizoru.html

#107532 - 10/02/16 07:34 PM Re: The Vidéoway emulation thread [Re: plgDavid]  
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In Norway there is/were something called dual mono, where the left channel is Swedish and the right channel is Norwegian, one is obviously dubbed. I am thinking that if something similar was the case, like a second or third audio track this could have been embedded in a DTV stream.

I wonder if there was a special Videoway gaming analog channel where the box muted the audio and played some gaming tune while loading the games like you describe. That would have worked but doesn't apply to the patent that was referred.

#107536 - 10/02/16 11:30 PM Re: The Vidéoway emulation thread [Re: plgDavid]  
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Ah dual mono. That was super common on VCDs with Cantonese on one channel and Mandarin on the other.

#107546 - 10/05/16 10:36 PM Re: The Vidéoway emulation thread [Re: plgDavid]  
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This would be awesome if someday we could resurrect Videoway via emulation.

I'm from quebec and it wasn't available where i lived but i remember watching ads on tv and it souned like the Future !! well the future of 1990 smile

here's an ad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiOTxCRAUgA

This machine did some crazy stuff back in the days..... before the internet.

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