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#59416 - 02/24/10 09:18 AM Rhinoceros Bar Command  
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Can someone please explain the story behind the occasional references to "Rhinoceros Bar Command" that occasionally come up? I'm feeling left out.

Edit: don't worry, I've got it now - it's an artefact of feeding phonetic Japanese into a translator. Word division really trips those things up.

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#59418 - 02/24/10 01:48 PM Re: Rhinoceros Bar Command [Re: Vas Crabb]  
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Right. It's also the go-to cautionary tale about trusting System16 too much (hell-O Naomi2 processor count!) At one point dozens of sites claimed it existed based solely on Sixtoe's say-so, including Wikipedia.

Anyhow, it sounds like a game where you serve drinks to polygonal rhinoceroses. And that concept *needs* to exist.

#59419 - 02/24/10 02:22 PM Re: Rhinoceros Bar Command [Re: R. Belmont]  
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Vas;

There are more at the end of this page:
http://unmamed.mameworld.info/non_other90.html

Don Bear Near. smile

#59420 - 02/24/10 03:14 PM Re: Rhinoceros Bar Command [Re: Sune]  
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Rhinoceros Berth Lead Lead. laugh

IIRC in the ancient past I discovered at least one of them didn't exist under that name (shocker!) by attempting to create a full Sega list from sources outside System16, then comparing to System16, and pattern-matching the differences. Then I made fun of Sixtoe until the cows came home. laugh

I don't honestly remember writing the notes that btribble has, I think that was at least partially Justin, but I suppose it's possible I did. Some of these things are beginning to fade in my memories.

Let's not forget my new favorite at System16, Sega "Space In Bingo" - Invinco or possibly "Space Invinco" :P (and yes I told Sixtoe about it)

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#59421 - 02/24/10 03:47 PM Re: Rhinoceros Bar Command [Re: R. Belmont]  
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Originally Posted By R. Belmont
Right. It's also the go-to cautionary tale about trusting System16 too much (hell-O Naomi2 processor count!) At one point dozens of sites claimed it existed based solely on Sixtoe's say-so, including Wikipedia.

Anyhow, it sounds like a game where you serve drinks to polygonal rhinoceroses. And that concept *needs* to exist.


I think a graphical hack of Tapper might be in order smile




#59427 - 02/24/10 08:01 PM Re: Rhinoceros Bar Command [Re: Tafoid]  
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Yes, this needs to be done :P

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#59430 - 02/24/10 09:21 PM Re: Rhinoceros Bar Command [Re: Sune]  
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Originally Posted By Sune

Vas;

There are more at the end of this page:
http://unmamed.mameworld.info/non_other90.html

Don Bear Near. smile


You might want to add "Underground King" to that list - it's a corruption of "Angler King" ("アンダーグラウンド" - underground - can be abbreviated to "アングラ", which is very close to "アングラー" - angler).

Edit: katakana seems to be broken, despite displaying fine in the preview. You'll have to decode the entities yourself to see it.

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#59432 - 02/24/10 10:42 PM Re: Rhinoceros Bar Command [Re: Vas Crabb]  
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Okay, let me know if you see any more like that. laugh

#59440 - 02/25/10 10:18 AM Re: Rhinoceros Bar Command [Re: Stiletto]  
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Interestingly, Sega avoided the rhinoceros problem with Cyber Troopers Virtual On. The Japanese title is 電脳戦機バーチャロン (dennou senki baacharon) which means Artificially Intelligent Battle Machines VirtualOn - no rhinos were implicated in the title of this game. I wonder if "virtual on" is supposed to be an imperative, like "switch on virtual reality" or something?

Yes, I know I've taken some license with the translation: "dennou" is literally "electronic brain" but that doesn't sound right in English, AFAIK similar characters are used to mean "computer" in China; "senki" often means "time to fight" or "military strategy", but here I think translating the two characters individually works better.

FWIW Google thinks the title should be translated as "Virtual On" (I guess enough people submitted that as a "better suggestion"), and SysTran comes out with "Electric brain chance for fighting [bachiyaron" (including the opening bracket).

#59445 - 02/25/10 08:48 PM Re: Rhinoceros Bar Command [Re: Vas Crabb]  
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Actually, the way Google Translate works these days is not as close as SysTran as it used to be. They switched to using their own statistical machine translation software a few years ago (versus originally being a licensee of Systran's rule-based translation software) with usually impressive results. It kinda helps that they're Google and have terabytes of translated documents to cross-compare.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Translate

#59446 - 02/25/10 09:10 PM Re: Rhinoceros Bar Command [Re: Stiletto]  
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I know that. But the very best use of Google Translate is this.

#59453 - 02/26/10 12:18 AM Re: Rhinoceros Bar Command [Re: Vas Crabb]  
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Yeah, that's a lot of fun. I used to do that manually before a website was made that automagically did it.

Usually if I must /try/ to convert an email to another language, I do one loop through and then look for the glaring mistranslations to rephrase. It comes out pidgin-English usually, but that's the best you can hope for without a.) getting a friend or a professional to translate or b.) getting education. But that's only if I can't find a friend to do it. laugh

#59458 - 02/26/10 03:49 AM Re: Rhinoceros Bar Command [Re: Stiletto]  
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#59459 - 02/26/10 05:25 AM Re: Rhinoceros Bar Command [Re: Just Desserts]  
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Hahaha...nice!


#59463 - 02/26/10 06:55 AM Re: Rhinoceros Bar Command [Re: Just Desserts]  
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Originally Posted By Just Desserts


Awesome! Needs to be, er, Namco MCMXCV, though, to be "accurate" to the mistranslation. grin
Yes, I am that crazy, why do you ask?

#59465 - 02/26/10 09:23 AM Re: Rhinoceros Bar Command [Re: Stiletto]  
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Sixtoe's translations even appear in a list on a Japanese web site. "Don Bear Near" is right above Dunkmania, "Rhinoceros Bar Command" is below Ridge Racer 2 and "Ray Blurring - Sir" is below Downhill Bikers.

#59468 - 02/26/10 01:49 PM Re: Rhinoceros Bar Command [Re: Vas Crabb]  
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What was "Ray Blurring - Sir" a mistranslation of? RayStorm?

#59476 - 02/26/10 06:23 PM Re: Rhinoceros Bar Command [Re: R. Belmont]  
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I'd have thought it was a jumbling of Rave Racer, except that list says that whatever it is was a Super System 22 game.


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#59502 - 02/26/10 11:44 PM Re: Rhinoceros Bar Command [Re: nZero]  
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It's Rave Racer - "re-bu re-sa-" somehow got split into "re- bure - sa-" and the translation engine decided the second word was "blurring".

#59532 - 03/01/10 03:25 AM Re: Rhinoceros Bar Command [Re: Vas Crabb]  
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Heh - even Wikipedia blindly copies lists from System 16. So much for requiring reliable sources - they just use that as an excuse to delete stuff they don't like.

#59533 - 03/01/10 03:37 AM Re: Rhinoceros Bar Command [Re: Vas Crabb]  
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I've yet to find any arcade-related information on Wikipedia that *isn't* System 16 copypasta.

#59917 - 03/10/10 06:45 AM Re: Rhinoceros Bar Command [Re: Vas Crabb]  
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Here listed Hardware, software and operating system configuration supported for Rhinoceros on the Microsoft Windows platform.

* Rhinoceros (32 Bit and 64 Bit): 3.0, 4.0, 5.0

* Operating System (32 Bit and 64 Bit): Windows XP SP2 or later, Windows Vista

* RAM: 1 GB (Recommended 2 GB)


#61295 - 04/25/10 07:22 AM Re: Rhinoceros Bar Command [Re: katangputz]  
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#63032 - 06/27/10 06:24 PM Re: Rhinoceros Bar Command [Re: Stiletto]  
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Originally Posted By Stiletto
I don't honestly remember writing the notes that btribble has, I think that was at least partially Justin, but I suppose it's possible I did. Some of these things are beginning to fade in my memories.


Sorry to reanimate the thread but yeah I wrote all of that, I emailed Bobby about it when it went up but as you may have noticed he's not exactly an updating maven....

#63041 - 06/28/10 09:42 AM Re: Rhinoceros Bar Command [Re: Justin]  
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This thread is t3h awesome. No-one should be ashamed of posting to it.

#67782 - 03/06/11 10:41 AM Re: Rhinoceros Bar Command [Re: Vas Crabb]  
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Also, in my defense, I got some people telling me that Armadillo Racing was obviously a mistranslation of something...

Ever since I actually found it I've been... skeptical...of removing anything wink

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#67784 - 03/06/11 11:38 AM Re: Rhinoceros Bar Command [Re: Vas Crabb]  
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What did they say Armadillo Racing was a mistranslation of, and how did they come to that conclusion?

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To be fair, for a while I was hoping Armadillo was a mistranslation and Rhinoceros Bar Command was the real game. But I've seen pictures of a 2-screen Armadillo Racing from a Japanese arcade (it's controlled with a trackball and there are big plastic armadillo heads on top of each side of the cabinet).

#67792 - 03/07/11 12:18 AM Re: Rhinoceros Bar Command [Re: Vas Crabb]  
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I played Armadillo Racing. It's good fun, but it's a bit uncomfortable trying to get down to the level of the controls, as they're positioned to be comfortable for an eight-year-old.

#68297 - 04/01/11 11:03 PM Re: Rhinoceros Bar Command [Re: Vas Crabb]  
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#68298 - 04/02/11 12:05 AM Re: Rhinoceros Bar Command [Re: Vas Crabb]  
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I can't wait to see Kelloggs VS Capcom on Wikipedia.

#68300 - 04/02/11 12:27 AM Re: Rhinoceros Bar Command [Re: Vas Crabb]  
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So is it a real MUGEN thing then? I thought Six was a master Photoshopper, but then that video was posted smile

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#90399 - 09/10/13 09:36 PM Re: Rhinoceros Bar Command [Re: Vas Crabb]  
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Because I never want this to die, I added most of these to Undumped wiki. A few were there already, marked "Does not exist". laugh

http://mamedev.emulab.it/undumped/index.php?title=Category:Does_not_exist

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There is at least one game on the undumped list, that may be a mis-translation. Nichibutsu "Mahjong Final Parade", like I said in the wiki, I suspect to be a mis-translation of "Mahjong Final Bunny". I hope this can be proven soon.

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I should note an additional layer of misinterpretation on THX-DR1122: Synergistic Software did the US "Thexder" ports for Sierra. As far as I know the original version for the NEC PC-88 in Japan was by Game Arts themselves.

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Originally Posted By Diet Go Go Fan
There is at least one game on the undumped list, that may be a mis-translation. Nichibutsu "Mahjong Final Parade", like I said in the wiki, I suspect to be a mis-translation of "Mahjong Final Bunny". I hope this can be proven soon.

What's your basis for this? How could ファイナルバニー possibly come back as "final parade"? All other examples have a basis in transliteration confusion.

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At least on my computer, the Japanese letters you posted display as ASCII characters. Getting to the main point, #1 - the games are both same company, year, and hardware: Nichibutsu 1991 mahjong HW. #2 - a list of Nichibutsu games lists "Final Parade", but not "Final Bunny". #3 - despite searching many times, I have never seen proof of "Final Parade" existing, not one screenshot.

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Konami "Brain Busters" looks like another mistranslation. It has the same serial number as "Monster Maulers".

#90732 - 09/30/13 06:13 PM Re: Rhinoceros Bar Command [Re: Vas Crabb]  
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I'd buy "Brain Busters" as either yet another region name (maybe UK, a la TMHT?) or a prototype name that ultimately wasn't used. It's a little too descriptive of one of the actual fights in the game to be a simple mistranslation IMO.

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