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#74079 - 11/02/11 04:23 PM Re: Amiga 1000 won't accept kickstart disk on r8240 [Re: Barry Nelson]  
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Hmm A500 also doesn't work for me either. Must be something wrong with my image then?

'Workbench v3.1 rev 40.42 (1996)(ESCOM)(M10)(Disk 2 of 6)(Workbench)'

#74080 - 11/02/11 04:26 PM Re: Amiga 1000 won't accept kickstart disk on r8240 [Re: Barry Nelson]  
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well yeah, you won't be able to boot workbench 3.1 on an A500 ;-) No idea why it doesn't boot on an A1200 unless the floppy isn't hooked up properly tho.

You should probably just use WinUAE for Amiga tho, it's generations ahead of MESS in terms of Amiga emulation quality / compatibility / flexibility right now, especially if you're talking about A1200+ level (the CD32 compatibility is dire enough to show that, although some of those will need the dreaded MPEG)


#74081 - 11/02/11 04:29 PM Re: Amiga 1000 won't accept kickstart disk on r8240 [Re: Haze]  
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Try the WB1.3 on the A500 driver.

#74082 - 11/02/11 04:29 PM Re: Amiga 1000 won't accept kickstart disk on r8240 [Re: Haze]  
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Originally Posted By Haze
No idea why it doesn't boot on an A1200 unless the floppy isn't hooked up properly tho.


in A1200 it does not boot because A1200 emulation is heavily incomplete, iirc.

should it boot on the A1000 or is the A1000 closer to the A500?

#74083 - 11/02/11 04:33 PM Re: Amiga 1000 won't accept kickstart disk on r8240 [Re: etabeta78]  
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Originally Posted By etabeta78
Originally Posted By Haze
No idea why it doesn't boot on an A1200 unless the floppy isn't hooked up properly tho.


in A1200 it does not boot because A1200 emulation is heavily incomplete, iirc.

should it boot on the A1000 or is the A1000 closer to the A500?


A1000 is the oldest one, you need a kickstart disk before the workbench disc (unless like Anna you have one which is compressed all in one)

A500 was the first real mainstream home system, which boots WB1.3

A500+ was WB2
A600 was similar to the 500+ but without the numeric keypad.

A1200 was the 68020 / 2MB Ram / AGA / WB3.1 model

CD32 was the CD equivalent of the A1200 (you could even get a keyboard etc. for it) and had MPEG decoding for some video based games.

A2000/3000/4000 weren't really home models and fit somewhere between.

For basic gaming your common setups are

plain A500
plain A500 with 512kb memory expansion

A500+
A500+ with memory expansion

A1200
A1200 with various CPU / memory expansions / HDD (for the later games some of which really needed crazy CPU power compared to the stock model, afaik you could go up to 68060 during the regular life of the system)

CDTV (A500 level tech standalone)

CD32 (A1200 level tech standalone)

Additional floppy drives were also common, although not all games could make use of them (due to copy protections or bad programming) also the additional floppy could cause some incompatibilities due to extra memory use / bad programming so they usually had an off switch ;-)

All the fancy extra graphic adapters again are mostly for business use / graphic application / after market stuff, not games and usually cause massive incompatibilities.

A1200 wasn't compatible with a lot of early A500 software, again due to copy protections / assumptions that kind of thing. There were various kickstart emulators which would boost compatibility although anything relying on CPU speed would often run too fast. There were even A500+ compatibility issues with some, but that's less common. A600 isn't really recommended due to the lack of the keypad which renders a lot of software unusable.

That's why once MESS starts having software lists for these platforms (which will be huge and scary..) there needs to be some indication of basic compatibility, because it could be annoying even on the original systems. Even with an A1200 HDD system even many HDD installable games had issues if your desktop was set to anything but the most basic lowest resolution / colour settings due to memory requirements, or because they didn't change screen mode correctly / couldn't close workbench to free memory due to some program you were running... People talk about boot disks for MSDOS based games, but I had a collection of them on my Amiga too. Not always the easiest systems to work with, especially later on in life ;-)

#74084 - 11/02/11 04:38 PM Re: Amiga 1000 won't accept kickstart disk on r8240 [Re: Haze]  
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Originally Posted By Haze
well yeah, you won't be able to boot workbench 3.1 on an A500 ;-)


Hooray for my brain (or lack of)! Thanks smile

#74089 - 11/02/11 11:54 PM Re: Amiga 1000 won't accept kickstart disk on r8240 [Re: Barry Nelson]  
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Ok so I'm now running the following MESS with the following parameters:

Code:
mess64.exe -triplebuffer -rompath C:\MESS\roms -artpath C:\MESS\artwork -effect Aperture2x4bg_Aaron.png 
-waitvsync a500n -floppydisk1 "Workbench v1.3.3 rev 34.34 [Cloanto Amiga Forever Edition].adf" -cartridge "Kickstart v1.3 rev 34.5.rom"


I get the following error when trying to load a game disk in slot 1:

key 880 checksum error

and if I manage to find an image that doesn't produce that error then I get:

the icon(s) have no default tool(s)

when clicking on the disk icon.

What could be the cause of this?


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#74107 - 11/04/11 05:49 AM Re: Amiga 1000 won't accept kickstart disk on r8240 [Re: Barry Nelson]  
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somewhere else entirely
Before of after r13155?

OG.

#74110 - 11/04/11 10:57 AM Re: Amiga 1000 won't accept kickstart disk on r8240 [Re: Barry Nelson]  
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This is after r13155.

My current SVN: r13165

#74112 - 11/04/11 11:54 AM Re: Amiga 1000 won't accept kickstart disk on r8240 [Re: Barry Nelson]  
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does it work with an older build, like e.g. 0.143?

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