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#77771 - 02/25/12 11:25 PM Re: PC/XT/AT (inside) WIP topic [Re: Kale]  
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Didn't think it would work, just saw it there and thought why not smile

Now I've got an issue here loading some floppy disk images. The problem isn't related to Windows 95, Win 3.1x or even DOS, it's MESS (same problem happens during POST). I've got 24 floppy disk images for Microsoft Office 95 Standard Edition that I was trying to install in to Windows 95. All was going well before I noticed that MESS will not accept the 2nd floppy disk, infact it won't accept disks 2-24, only disk 1 works. When I insert of any of these other disks, I get an "internal error" instead of a "successfully loaded" message. It's strange because I can insert any other valid disk image and MESS will load it, it just won't load disks 2-24 of Office 95. The disks are valid as far as I can tell, I can open them in Winimage no problem, same with a VFD emulator. I've deleted the cfg file thinking that might have something to do with it, but no go. I also moved the folder to my desktop and tried to load them from there, but same problem. I also converted one of the disks to an *.ima file, but MESS still won't recognize it frown Any ideas? I've squashed the screenshot so it isn't so large.

EDIT: From reading the readme file, disk 1 does not use DMF, whereas the other disks appear to be non-standard DMF images? Perhaps this is the reason? I don't know anything about non-standard DMF images sorry. Disks 2-24 only have cab files on them, nothing else.

Edit #2: I just noticed the size of these images are larger than 1.44MB, they are 1.68MB. Does MESS not support floppy disk images larger than 1.44MB? I can't select a floppy drive in CMOS that allows anything higher than 1.44MB. (at486). The AT586 driver accepts a 2.88MB floppy drive, but MESS still gives me the same internal error.


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#77772 - 02/26/12 12:03 AM Re: PC/XT/AT (inside) WIP topic [Re: MikeAbson]  
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It takes a very long time to get this far, though.

#77773 - 02/26/12 12:11 AM Re: PC/XT/AT (inside) WIP topic [Re: Kale]  
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DMF support was supposed to have been added recently (commit), maybe it doesn't actually work though?

#77787 - 02/26/12 09:26 AM Re: PC/XT/AT (inside) WIP topic [Re: Kale]  
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The first version of IE running under the first version of Windows 95. I've opened and closed it a few times, didn't crash on me once. I remember the Windows icon in the top right there animating, but there is no animation here. I think because I'm running Windows in 16 colours and IE is not actally loading anything.

Windows seems reasonably stable enough to move around and open existing applications and software preinstalled, it's just adding / removing devices and trying to install something new that causes it to crash. I'll try come up with some other screenshots besides the desktop!

And for the fun of it, the last screenshot is a saved copy of the lycos.com website from 1996. The top image does not load because archive.org did not have it saved. Ahh the good old days...

I'm guessing networking is not supported yet? I personally hadn't tried it, but I did install the 3c503 driver (Windows 95 has native driver support for it out of the box), but the hardware wasn't working (yellow ! under device mananger).

Will WinPcap be needed for networking support within MESS in the future? Also, if I use the 3c503 network adapter, does this technically mean I can use that within MESS to talk to my external internet connection?












#77788 - 02/26/12 09:32 AM Re: PC/XT/AT (inside) WIP topic [Re: MikeAbson]  
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about the not working floppies in DMF format, you might want to point Micko (possibly by PM) to the failing files so that he can test
I think the support was only tested on a few disks, so we might not be fully covering the format

Originally Posted By MikeAbson
Will WinPcap be needed for networking support within MESS in the future?


not sure about this. Arbee, Micko or Carl might probably give you the right answer... in the meanwhile, I can reply about the following:

Originally Posted By MikeAbson
Also, if I use the 3c503 network adapter, does this technically mean I can use that within MESS to talk to my external internet connection?


I think the Mac thread contains some snaps by Arbee browsing the web through the emulated Macs, so I guess that PCs drivers will be capable of this too smile
In the meanwhile thanks for testing so accurately MESS!

EDIT: here you can see the snaps I was referring to
http://forums.bannister.org/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=74201#Post74201

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#77790 - 02/26/12 09:57 AM Re: PC/XT/AT (inside) WIP topic [Re: Kale]  
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I thought we had support for ne2000 or similar network card? Win95 should support it.

#77791 - 02/26/12 10:20 AM Re: PC/XT/AT (inside) WIP topic [Re: Kale]  
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Microsoft Exchange as shipped with the first version of Windows 95.










#77793 - 02/26/12 10:23 AM Re: PC/XT/AT (inside) WIP topic [Re: Robbbert]  
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Originally Posted By Robbbert
I thought we had support for ne2000 or similar network card? Win95 should support it.


It's in there, but I don't know the difference between the NE2000 and 3C503 confused. I'll try and install the drivers for the NE2000 and see if Windows 95 co-operates.

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#77794 - 02/26/12 10:47 AM Re: PC/XT/AT (inside) WIP topic [Re: etabeta78]  
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etabeta78:

I will send Micko a quick PM about it, thanks.

I guess we'll find out about networking in Windows soon enough smile

Thanks for the comment, I'm more than happy to play around with MESS and see what it can do, it's pretty amazing.

#77795 - 02/26/12 10:51 AM Re: PC/XT/AT (inside) WIP topic [Re: etabeta78]  
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Originally Posted By etabeta78
about the not working floppies in DMF format, you might want to point Micko (possibly by PM) to the failing files so that he can test
I think the support was only tested on a few disks, so we might not be fully covering the format


There are quite a lot of floppies out there with extra garbage bytes at the end (looks like one of the emulators adds them when you mount the images or something stupid) those might be causing an issue as MESS refuses to mount them.

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