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Posted By: Darkstar

New dumps - 06/27/12 07:32 PM

I thought it might be interesting to add a generic topic like this, where new ROM dumps (either for completely new systems or new dumps for existing ones) could be posted.

I'll start with the following:

Motorola PowerStack II boot ROM
Dumped from an Am29F040.

system specs:
- PowerPC 604e(? not sure since I didn't remove the heatsink, it's supposed to be a 200 MHz CPU)
- PCI Cirrus Logic CL-GD5446-HC-A video card without BIOS
- Symbios Logic 53C825A SCSI
- DEC 21140-AF network chip, DP83840 PHY
- Winbond W83C553F-G chipset
- M4T2B-BR12SH1 RTC
- Crystal CS4236 audio
- PC87308-IBN/VUL SuperIO
- 3xISA + 3xPCI, both on a riser card
Other chips (memory controller?):
- 94G0178/IBM98 PQ/19625A5797/JAPAN
- 20H2842/IBM 98/19651E2923/JAPAN

(I have a second machine of this type where I could dump the ROM for reference as well, might have a different one)

-Darkstar
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 06/27/12 08:11 PM

Good call on the topic. And nice find! A real live PReP machine - those are pretty rare smile
Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 06/27/12 08:25 PM

Since I have two of them (one without memory though) I would be willing to part with one. I'd even split the RAM evenly between both of them... However, they have a PROM password set (for which I have not yet found a way to bypass it -- no jumper or anything near the RTC)

I could also provide some high res mainboard pictures if that's of any help

...also, I'm getting pretty good at whipping up ad-hoc EPROM dumping hardware ^^
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 06/27/12 08:29 PM

High res mainboard pictures are always good to have.
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 06/27/12 08:32 PM

Looks like a cool machine ...

just found that re your password woes:

http://web.archiveorange.com/archive/v/OaDWVFnhz7iOdvLW6JLY

Robert
Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 08/09/12 04:47 PM

Okay, here's some stuff for the (hopefully distant? ;-) future. I raided the company's archive server and found a couple of SCSI HDD and tape drive firmware files:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7uqyfzq4n5miq7w/HDD_Firmware.zip

Contains the following firmware blobs:
Code:
Hitachi:
  HDP725050GLA360
  Ultrastar 146Z10
HP:
  C1533A
  C1536
  C1537
  C1557A
  DLT-1
  LTO1
  LTO3
IBM:
  DCHS
  DDYS
  DHGS
  DGVS
  DMVS
  DNES
  DPSS
  DRHS
  DRVS
Quantum:
  XP34300
  DLT2000xt
  DLT4000
  DLT7000
  SuperDLT 220
  SuperDLT 320
  SuperDLT 600
Seagate:
  10k6 FC (I think this is from a 37xxx FC HDD)
  ST150176
  ST15150
  ST15230N
  ST173404
  ST19171
  ST3146807FC
  ST3146807LC
  ST32430N
  ST336607FC
  ST336607LC
  ST336704
  ST34371
  ST34572
  ST373405LC
  ST41090W
  ST41080N
  ST423451
Sony:
  SDT9000
  SDX300
  SDX500


Also included are various OEM firmware files with special patches/fixes for NetApp systems (the first letter after the underscore in the filename specifies the OEM vendor. H=HP, S=Seagate, W=WD, etc.)

Interesting tidbit: Some of the firmware files contain references to something called
Code:
Byte-BOS 8096 Multitasking Operating System

...which seems to be an embedded RTOS for the MCS-96 line of microcontrollers.

It's a bit sad that it doesn't go further back, I think most of that is post-2000 hardware, I hope someone will find it useful anyway. I remember some of these files were quite difficult to get, you had to have special ties to the technical support team etc.

-Darkstar
Posted By: Stiletto

Re: New dumps - 08/09/12 05:26 PM

I seem to recall HDDGuru.com having most of these as an attachment on their forums or something.
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 08/09/12 05:30 PM

Nice! Yeah, those are all a bit newer than I'd like, but firmware dumps is always > no firmware dumps smile
Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 08/09/12 07:31 PM

While we're (or rather: you're grin) thinking about emulating low level peripherals, how about emulating modems as well?

Here's something I had lying around for a while now.

ROM Dump (128kb) + High-res pictures of the Creatix SG2834 modem (28.8k baud, Data+FAX)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5vnh6ubbr844atq/Creatix_SG2843.zip
Manual (German only) here: http://www.creatix.de/support/download/gruppe7/SG2834DT.PDF

And an even older one: ROM Dump (32k) + pics of the Yakumo 24-F (2400 baud, data only)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/acyx5iv3ak4328d/Yakumo_24-F.zip
I have found nothing about this one online, it's probably a no-name clone of some better known device.

The Creatix one uses a Conexant chipset for which datasheets are easily found. The Yakumo one uses a bit more obscure chips.

-Darkstar
Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 08/12/12 11:12 PM

I updated the above ZIP files with datasheets that I found for the various chips used (couldn't find anything for the SC11046CN though)

Anyone want to take a stab at it? ;-)
Posted By: Stiletto

Re: New dumps - 08/13/12 03:52 PM

Originally Posted By Darkstar
(couldn't find anything for the SC11046CN though)


Only seems to exist at Partminer. I do not have a way to obtain these at the moment.
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 08/13/12 03:55 PM

For both of those modems, the CPU is problematic. There don't seem to be any actual technical datasheets on the Rockwell "L39 series" (maybe it's an 8039 derivative? I'll run it by a few disassemblers and see), and as Stiletto noted only Partminer knows the SC110xx.

I'm kind of impressed they used a Z8530 for serial in a 2400 baud modem. That's hilariously over-specced for that application, although it'll certainly work.
Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 08/13/12 03:57 PM

Never heard of Partminer before.

Seems they offer a 2-day free membership; maybe someone could create a new account, download all the stuff needed during the first 2 days, then cancel the membership?
Posted By: Stiletto

Re: New dumps - 08/13/12 04:11 PM

Originally Posted By Darkstar
Never heard of Partminer before.

Seems they offer a 2-day free membership; maybe someone could create a new account, download all the stuff needed during the first 2 days, then cancel the membership?


Indeed, and I have done that in the past. The trick is coming up with a list of "all the stuff needed", which is why I often wait years in-between until I have a *massive* list. Either that or be generating disposable accounts at a large scale.

The alternative is to have an employer who has access (that's happened before with a friend of ours), or to have disposable income exceeding $1300/yr to pay for the access level necessary to obtain outdated datasheets (unless they've changed their pricing scheme once again)

The other problem is they often list, say, a parts description list from a ordering form or catalog as a "datasheet" - so that listed datasheet may have only one page, with one mention of the chip.

I often these days use icminer.com, which is a free Asian alternative (signed up thanks to Google Translate) and clearly has a partial (pirated?) copy of Partminer in their database. (Sadly they must not have got to SC11046...)
Posted By: Phil Bennett

Re: New dumps - 08/14/12 09:47 AM

Regarding the L39 MCU, it may be a 6502 variant. I found a programming manual for another MCU in the family which might be of use:

http://electronix.org.ru/datasheet/Faxs-Modems/1198-L28MCU.pdf
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 08/14/12 12:23 PM

Nice catch, but that increases the number of clones of me required to 17 by making "rewrite the 6502 family as a modern device" more interesting :P
Posted By: qmc2

Re: New dumps - 08/14/12 01:56 PM

Enough clones?! Oh wait, wrong DNA wink.
Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 08/16/12 10:18 PM

Disassembling the Rockwell ROM as 6510 opcodes turns out it *might* indeed be based on it. While most of it seems to be gibberish (many KIL or BRK instructions for example), some other parts make at least a little bit sense:
Code:

0001B23B: AD 00 06           lda  $0600
0001B23E: A6 E3              ldx  $E3
0001B240: 9D 01 81           sta  $8101,x
0001B243: 18                 clc  
0001B244: 65 E4              adc  $E4
0001B246: 85 E4              sta  $E4
0001B248: 8A                 txa  
0001B249: 38                 sec  
0001B24A: E9 02              sbc  #$02
0001B24C: CD 02 81           cmp  $8102
0001B24F: F0 04              beq  $B255
0001B251: E8                 inx  
0001B252: 86 E3              stx  $E3
0001B254: 60                 rts  
0001B255: A9 64              lda  #$64
0001B257: 8D 6B 9C           sta  $9C6B
0001B25A: A9 32              lda  #$32
0001B25C: 8D 6C 9C           sta  $9C6C
0001B25F: C2 04              nop  #$04
0001B261: 1E 06 60           asl  $6006,x
0001B264: 20 D2 31           jsr  $31D2
0001B267: A5 E4              lda  $E4
0001B269: F0 04              beq  $B26F
0001B26B: DF 50 01           dcp  $0150,x
0001B26E: 60                 rts  


(this is from the second 64k of the ROM, that's why the addresses don't match up)

Sure looks interesting
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 08/17/12 12:34 AM

It's likely 65C02 at that date, which has more opcodes than the 6502/6510.
Posted By: JCCyC

Re: New dumps - 08/19/12 09:31 PM

Completely new system: AlphaSmart Pro. Its processor is a 68HC11, it uses an LCD display and has 128 KB non-volatile SRAM. Communicates with the PC or Mac via the keyboard connector, either PS/2 or... whatever it is that thing the Mac uses on that S-Video-like connector.

Really, it could be a general-purpose computer if not for its restrictive ROM that limits it to be a text editor.

Here's the ROM: http://users.vialink.com.br/jcastro/AlphaSmartPro212.rar - it's a 27C256 but the first 16KB are zeroed out.

Here is mine, opened up: http://imgur.com/a/R7tEs

Oh, and hello to all and a tip of the hat to Mr. Zapf. wink
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 08/19/12 09:40 PM

That's really strange. A portable word processor that can dump the text out to PS/2 or ADB? I imagine they sold about 3 smile

Welcome and thanks for the dump though, should be fun to emulate!
Posted By: crazyc

Re: New dumps - 08/19/12 09:46 PM

That might be the first device that can be run on it's own or connected to one of two completely different slot interfaces.
Posted By: Lord Nightmare

Re: New dumps - 08/20/12 08:33 AM

I have two of the successor units to the Alphasmart Pro here, the Alphasmart 2000; it is still 68hc11 based and ps/2+adb (with some sort of hd44780 type lcd and an optional infrared port which neither of my units has) but unlike the alphasmart pro, the 2000 has its rom in a combo rom-pal-io chip; i have two fw versions of these chips here but i do not have a means of dumping the contents out yet.
The alphasmart 2000 also has the crappiest plastic keys poshing rubber-dome keyboard imaginable, which literally destroys itself by cookie-cuttering the rubber into pieces by the sharp edges of the backs of the plastic keys over time due to idiotic design-engineering.
The Alphasmart 3000 is supposed to also be similar to the 2000, iirc. Right down to the crappy keyboard, i think.


LN
Posted By: MikeAbson

Re: New dumps - 08/25/12 01:16 AM

Sorry if this has been posted. I couldn't find anything in the forum nor do I see that MESS emulates this, but my guess it's been discussed in the past and I am probably too late here, but nonetheless...

- Tristar 64 BIOS

The Tristar 64 is an unlicensed add-on for the Nintendo 64 (N64) video game console. Produced in Hong Kong by Future Laboratory, the Tristar 64 features two additional cartridge ports which are designed to accept cartridges created for the Nintendo Entertainment System (NES, a.k.a. Famicom) and Super Nintendo Entertainment System (SNES, a.k.a. Super Famicom).

Info above taken from Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tristar_64

I thought this would be an appropriate place to put in a link to the BIOS file.
Posted By: Malice

Re: New dumps - 08/29/12 10:06 AM

Tseng Labs ET4000/W32P
http://www.filedropper.com/et4000w32pbios

Tseng Labs ET6000 v0.16
http://www.filedropper.com/et6000v016

Tseng Labs ET6000 v0.26
http://www.filedropper.com/et6000v026
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 08/29/12 02:30 PM

Dumps sent to me by Philippe Depre:

Tekram IDE cache controller v2.02
Compaq 3300 Tape Drive v2.95D
Promise SuperIDE ISA
Trident TVGA8900 ISA
Diamond Stealth 64 Video VRAM PCI v3.00 (S3 968 chipset, IIRC)

(right click and copy link location then paste into a new tab/window if you get the 403 error)
Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 08/29/12 03:00 PM

Is anyone actually actively archiving/mirroring these ROMs? Not that in 2 years, if someone's interested in emulating one of these, the links are dead and the uploaders nowhere to be found.

If not then I'd volunteer to host them somewhere (although mirrors would still be appreciated, just in case...)

I'm thinking of something simple, maybe like BitSavers: Directories and files. Nothing fancy.
Posted By: Justin

Re: New dumps - 08/29/12 07:53 PM

I'm backing it all up but the more the merrier.
Posted By: Malice

Re: New dumps - 08/29/12 08:15 PM

S3 Virge/DX v2.01.13 (86c375)
http://www.filedropper.com/s3virgedx
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 08/31/12 07:31 PM

Firmware dumps of some ISA, VLB and PCI cards, mainly VGA cards and SCSI controllers plus photos of the cards.

I kept the PCI VGA cards for later ...

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/zyrmjpkibmv2lt0/bbnX1Z_441/ISA%20-%20VLB%20-%20PCI.rar

#01: Future Domain TMC-850 PCI SCSI Controller

#02: Diamond Speedstar Tseng ET4000 ISA VGA 1MB RAM

#03: TSVGA 9020-12 Tseng ET4000 ISA VGA

#04: MaxLogic MX656 ISA EGA Card

#05: Morse KP 800 VGA ISA VGA CL-GD520-32PC-B

#06: NCR VLB VGA CL-GD5428-80QC-A

#07: ATI Graphics Solution SR ISA EGA

#08: NCR VLB VGA CL-GD5428-80QC-A

#09: ATI Stereo F/X ISA Sound Card

#10: Adaptec AHA-2940AU PCI SCSI Controller

#11: OMTI 5527A ISA ST506 RLL Controller

#12: Adaptec AHA 2842A VLB SCSI Controller

#13: Adaptec AHA1542B ISA SCSI Controller

#14: Adaptec AHA1542CF ISA SCSI Controller

#15: OMTI 8250 ISA ST506 MFM Controller

Robert
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 08/31/12 07:41 PM

"ATI Stereo F/X ISA Sound Card"

Apparently it's an SB 1.5 clone, complete with the YM3812 and sockets for 2 SAA1099s. I wonder if the MCU on it's any easier to dump smile

"ATI Graphics Solution SR"

Wikipedia says it's a CGA card actually, pre-EGA even. I had no idea ATI went back that far smile
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 09/01/12 02:18 PM

Addendum:

Here are the drivers for the ATI Stero FX

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55419307/atisfx.zip

and the Diamond Speedstar ISA VGA

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55419307/Diamond%20Speedstar%20ISA%20ET4000.rar
Posted By: Lord Nightmare

Re: New dumps - 09/02/12 07:49 AM

given the 80C31 on the ati stereo f/x its quite possible the drivers upload firmware to that, or the firmware lives in another chip on the card.

LN
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 09/02/12 07:57 AM

Here

http://queststudios.com/smf/index.php?topic=2553.0

a guy claims the drivers are necessary to store settings in EEPROM.

Robert
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 09/02/12 01:43 PM

L_N: the EPROM dump from the card is a valid 80C31 program, in case you missed that piece of news.
Posted By: Malice

Re: New dumps - 09/06/12 11:34 PM

The interesting thing about this card is it's got drivers that work from Windows 95 up to Vista. Not many if any cards have that range of driver support. I did test the bios with MESS text mode is corrupted but graphics modes seems to work.

All other Nvidia bios's i've tested fail to post.

PNY Verto GeForce 6800GT AGP v05.40.02.15
http://www.filedropper.com/pny6800gtagpv0540021501

If that link fails the bios can also be found here a few bytes
are different but it's the same rev as my bios.

http://www.mvktech.net/component/option,com_remository/Itemid,1/func,fileinfo/id,223/

msd in a window


msd full screen

Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 09/17/12 07:51 PM

I was going to post the ROMs of the Palm devices I've had over the years (and dump the ones still in my possession, a M130 and a Zire 72), but found this site

http://pdaexpert.net/conteudo/downloads/

which has all the stuff and more.

I also have a HP Jornada 820 (Windows CE 2.11), but don't know how to dump the ROM.

Robert

Posted By: Malice

Re: New dumps - 10/22/12 05:33 PM

486 bios

ASUS VL/I-486SV2G (GX4)

5 isa / 2 VL bus / up to 64MB ram / 20-100mhz cpu / LBA HD support.

http://support.asus.com/download.aspx?SLanguage=en&m=VL%2FI-486SV2G%20%28GX4%29&os=8

Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 10/23/12 09:19 AM

Originally Posted By rfka01

I also have a HP Jornada 820 (Windows CE 2.11), but don't know how to dump the ROM.


I have one of these and I also don't know how to dump the ROM. Anything which doesn't involve cracking open the case would be great (or at least without desoldering the chips), but I don't know if it can be done. I'll have to try and crack it open some time, maybe there's a JTAG somewhere inside
Posted By: Anna Wu

Re: New dumps - 10/23/12 10:11 AM

Originally Posted By Darkstar
Originally Posted By rfka01

I also have a HP Jornada 820 (Windows CE 2.11), but don't know how to dump the ROM.


I have one of these and I also don't know how to dump the ROM. Anything which doesn't involve cracking open the case would be great (or at least without desoldering the chips), but I don't know if it can be done. I'll have to try and crack it open some time, maybe there's a JTAG somewhere inside


Is the Yakumo Delta 300 GPS ROM not a clone of the Mitac Mio 168 ROM?
Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 10/23/12 10:51 AM

Yeah, looks like it. At least the ROM Version string is very similar to that in the table (maybe even an exact match, although I'd have to check this later when I'm back home)

So, are these ROMs already dumped?
Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 10/30/12 06:58 PM

Oktagon 2008 Zorro II SCSI Controller
Rev.7 board
ROM version 6.8 (judging from the strings inside the ROM)

Hi-Red board shot (not by me) here

Donwload link here

There's also a SEPROM (CAT24C02P) that I'll dump later, probably contains configuration data only
Posted By: Anna Wu

Re: New dumps - 10/30/12 07:16 PM

Originally Posted By Darkstar
Oktagon 2008 Zorro II SCSI Controller
Rev.7 board
ROM version 6.8 (judging from the strings inside the ROM)

Hi-Red board shot (not by me) here

Donwload link here

There's also a SEPROM (CAT24C02P) that I'll dump later, probably contains configuration data only


Nice, Ive this controller in my A4000. smile
Here some infos about the hardware.
Posted By: TeamE

Re: New dumps - 10/31/12 07:58 PM

hi!

i'm currently looking into dumping a lot of the VTECH Learn-Laptop stuff...currently have about 15 cartridges and three laptops here lying around which will get dumped soon...

i started with the 8008CX Laptop (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWdkv1ChxYw&feature=plcp) and six cartridges for this system! it's very hard to get this stuff dumped, as VTECH marks the flash-chips with unknown names...so you have to try and test which pinout could fit.

here you will find some dumps:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/z2k08s

i'm pretty sure that the cartridge-dumps are correct! as i verified them against each other...it's very interesting.....VTECH always burned two games on one flash-chip...and just selected the games by setting the highest adressline to high or low inside the cartridge! so from the dumped six cartridges, always two flash-roms were the same!!

it would be nice if someone could also check the 8008CX flash-rom dump...i think something with the pinout isn't correct! i always get different results while reading! but most of the pinout should be correct, as there is many german text inside the rom which is readable! i dumped the flashrom as 27c160...

would be great if someone could help here!

Posted By: TeamE

Re: New dumps - 11/01/12 04:43 PM

got a good read from the 8008 CX internal flash-rom:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/ss2p1m

i really need someone who can check this dumps...
Posted By: Haze

Re: New dumps - 11/01/12 05:32 PM

info on / pictures of the actual hardware?
Posted By: Anna Wu

Re: New dumps - 11/01/12 06:05 PM

Originally Posted By Haze
info on / pictures of the actual hardware?


Here you can download the manual (Leader 8008 CX) in German language.

Direct DL
Posted By: Just Desserts

Re: New dumps - 11/01/12 06:06 PM

Originally Posted By Anna Wu
Originally Posted By Haze
info on / pictures of the actual hardware?


Here you can download the manual (Leader 8008 CX) in German language.


How much of the technical information can you translate into English? smile
Posted By: Anna Wu

Re: New dumps - 11/01/12 06:14 PM

Originally Posted By Just Desserts
Originally Posted By Anna Wu
Originally Posted By Haze
info on / pictures of the actual hardware?


Here you can download the manual (Leader 8008 CX) in German language.


How much of the technical information can you translate into English? smile


This manual doesnt contains technical infos about the hardware, it is more a operator's guide. smile
Posted By: Haze

Re: New dumps - 11/01/12 06:19 PM

Well I was thinking more PCB photos / scans, component lists etc. Admittedly if everything is scratched off customs, that's not so interesting, but really if you want somebody to look at something otherwise unemulated it is important to provide the background details.

I guess it's mobile phoneish hardware so some kind of ARM SoC? (reminds me, I should submit a skeleton romload for that the Nokia 3310, the number of people who grew up with that as their first device probably outweighs even the Speccy, and the games would still run)
Posted By: Anna Wu

Re: New dumps - 11/01/12 06:24 PM

I like the color (another model). smile


Posted By: Anna Wu

Re: New dumps - 11/01/12 06:28 PM

Originally Posted By Haze
Well I was thinking more PCB photos / scans, component lists etc. Admittedly if everything is scratched off customs, that's not so interesting, but really if you want somebody to look at something otherwise unemulated it is important to provide the background details.

I guess it's mobile phoneish hardware so some kind of ARM SoC? (reminds me, I should submit a skeleton romload for that the Nokia 3310, the number of people who grew up with that as their first device probably outweighs even the Speccy, and the games would still run)


I think hard to find. No any schematics/datasheets found about this model.
Not know a owner which is willing to disassemble this toy (without to destroying it).
Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 11/01/12 06:34 PM

There's one 8008CX on ebay right now, going for 1 euro with 0 bids and 4 days left. Anyone want to grab it?

Looks like it's in a pretty good shape, with accessories and original packaging as well.

here
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 11/01/12 06:45 PM

Can we get a PCB picture and/or chip listing? smile
Posted By: Haze

Re: New dumps - 11/01/12 06:48 PM

Originally Posted By Anna Wu
Originally Posted By Haze
Well I was thinking more PCB photos / scans, component lists etc. Admittedly if everything is scratched off customs, that's not so interesting, but really if you want somebody to look at something otherwise unemulated it is important to provide the background details.

I guess it's mobile phoneish hardware so some kind of ARM SoC? (reminds me, I should submit a skeleton romload for that the Nokia 3310, the number of people who grew up with that as their first device probably outweighs even the Speccy, and the games would still run)


I think hard to find. No any schematics/datasheets found about this model.
Not know a owner which is willing to disassemble this toy (without to destroying it).


Yes, but they just dumped the main board rom off it afaik, so I guess that means it has been opened up?
Posted By: Anna Wu

Re: New dumps - 11/01/12 06:52 PM

Originally Posted By Haze
Originally Posted By Anna Wu
Originally Posted By Haze
Well I was thinking more PCB photos / scans, component lists etc. Admittedly if everything is scratched off customs, that's not so interesting, but really if you want somebody to look at something otherwise unemulated it is important to provide the background details.

I guess it's mobile phoneish hardware so some kind of ARM SoC? (reminds me, I should submit a skeleton romload for that the Nokia 3310, the number of people who grew up with that as their first device probably outweighs even the Speccy, and the games would still run)


I think hard to find. No any schematics/datasheets found about this model.
Not know a owner which is willing to disassemble this toy (without to destroying it).


Yes, but they just dumped the main board rom off it afaik, so I guess that means it has been opened up?


Of logic, yes. But Im not the dumper, maybe TeamE can help.
Posted By: TeamE

Re: New dumps - 11/01/12 07:00 PM

i have a 8008CX here, and it is already disassembled!

here's the PCB layout:
8008 CX GERMAN:

PCB:

Code:
+---+-----------+-----+-----------------------+-----+-----+-----+
|   |SERIAL PORT|     |PARALLEL PORT (PRINTER)|     |MOUSE|     |
|   +-----------+     +-----------------------+     +-----+     |
|                                                               |
|                                                               | 
|                                                               | 
|                                                               | 
|   +----+                                                      |       
|   | A0 |                                                      |  
|   +----+                                                      |       
|                                                               | 
|                                                               | 
|                                        +--------+             |           
|                                        |        |             |   
|                                        | VTECH  |   +------+  |           
|                                        |LHMV5GNS|   |      |  |     
|                                        |        |   |GM76U8|  |     
|                                        |1999    |   |128CLF|  |     
|                                        |27-6393-|   |W85   |  |     
|       +-----------+                    |11      |   |      |  |
|       |27-6296-0-0|                    |        |   |      |  |      
|       |47C241M NH7|                    |        |   +------+  |            
|       +-----------+                    +--------+             |
|                                                               |
|                                                               | 
|                                                               | 
|                                                               |
+---------------------------------------------------------------+ 



and here a pic:



i think it's arm based! the only good thing, if you get one laptop-model from VTECH emulated, it's highly likely that most others will run the same....the cartridges for this systems are also working in most VTECH models...
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 11/01/12 07:02 PM

It's little endian 32-bit, boot or vectors at 0, doesn't look like ARM though. Might be SH, I don't have any disassemblers on me to see.
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 11/01/12 07:06 PM

(For reference, ARM should be xx xx xx Ex xx xx xx Ex up front for little endian, or Ex xx xx xx Ex xx xx xx for big endian).
Posted By: Just Desserts

Re: New dumps - 11/01/12 07:43 PM

Originally Posted By R. Belmont
It's little endian 32-bit, boot or vectors at 0, doesn't look like ARM though. Might be SH, I don't have any disassemblers on me to see.


From a quick glance at the SH instruction reference, it's not SH.
Posted By: Stiletto

Re: New dumps - 11/01/12 07:51 PM

If the LH indicated chip manufacturer...
LH - SHARP (Memory), NATIONAL SEMICONDUCTOR (Hybrid)

1999 would be early for ARM-based kids 'toys IMHO.

GM76U8128CLFW85 = LGS / Hynix 131,072 WORDS x 8 BIT CMOS SRAM (obviously)
http://www.datasheetarchive.com/GM76U8128CL%2FCLL-datasheet.html
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 11/01/12 07:52 PM

Doesn't look like MIPS either, although I haven't done a strict verification. I guess it might be one of the super-low-cost Thumb2 cores (Cortex M series) that doesn't have ARM mode instructions.
Posted By: Just Desserts

Re: New dumps - 11/01/12 07:58 PM

Originally Posted By R. Belmont
Doesn't look like MIPS either, although I haven't done a strict verification. I guess it might be one of the super-low-cost Thumb2 cores (Cortex M series) that doesn't have ARM mode instructions.


It's definitely not MIPS, as that would make the first instruction 0x00006420, which does not decode as a valid instruction. The Thumb2 ISA also isn't sufficiently old (it debuted in 2003).

Upon closer inspection of the ROM, I'm going to take a wild guess that it's either a 16-bit or 32-bit architecture that has a default opcode size of 16 bits, with some opcodes taking an additional 16-bit immediate word.

Consider that the word 0x1138 appears at two different alignments relative to a 32-bit word (offset 0x0004 and offset 0x000e), similarly 0xB077 and 0xB277.

I'm also going to take a wild guess that every pair of bytes is swapped in the ROM, as various 16-bit words would make more sense as instructions that way (0x77B2 and 0x77B0 being the same instruction, but presumably using a different GPR). That's just a complete guess, though.
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 11/01/12 08:02 PM

The ROM doesn't seem to require byteswapping - there's correct English text fairly early on (e.g. the units strings at 4950 and the printer names at 4d70).
Posted By: Stiletto

Re: New dumps - 11/01/12 08:05 PM

This page also seems to think this series is Sharp-made.
http://ic-l.iclocator.com/LHMV5_LHMV51CTD_LHMV5CTD_LHMV5GNT.html
Posted By: Just Desserts

Re: New dumps - 11/01/12 08:06 PM

I'm at a loss, then. smile
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 11/01/12 08:09 PM

The newer MIPS chips have a 16-bit encoding similar to Thumb, but I think that was too new again.

Any chance it's u'NSP? smile
Posted By: Just Desserts

Re: New dumps - 11/01/12 08:10 PM

Originally Posted By Stiletto
This page also seems to think this series is Sharp-made.
http://ic-l.iclocator.com/LHMV5_LHMV51CTD_LHMV5CTD_LHMV5GNT.html


Find us a Sharp LH5 instruction set manual and we'll see. smile

Originally Posted By R. Belmont
Any chance it's u'NSP? smile


The first handful of instructions would disassemble as:
sub sp, 0x24
add sp, [bp+0]
adc sp, sp >> 4
add sp, [bp+1]
load sp, 0x30
neg r1, 0x30
xor r2, 0x30
adc sp, sp >> 4

Which, while disassembling in a valid manner thus far from what I've hand-disassembled, makes 0 sense and can be assumed to be invalid.
Posted By: Stiletto

Re: New dumps - 11/01/12 08:18 PM

Definitely related chips here:
http://www.datasheetarchive.com/LH5332600N-datasheet.html
Note chart: most of these are 44SOP 32M-bit Mask ROM: ex. LHMV55XX

Also means it's most likely ROM and will need to be dumped...

Instead, the small chip: 47C241M ?

Well, TMP47C241MG is TCLS-47 series 4-bit CPU.
http://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/470177/TOSHIBA/TMP47C241MG.html

[EDIT] That's it, got it. Same number of pins... laugh

Can't find a disassembler for TCLS-47 quickly but Macroassembler AS is free assembler: http://john.ccac.rwth-aachen.de:8000/as/as_EN.html

(FWIW MAME is shaping up to become a disassembler for every assemble that Macroassembler AS supports laugh )
Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 11/02/12 12:24 PM

Originally Posted By Darkstar
Oktagon 2008 Zorro II SCSI Controller
Rev.7 board
ROM version 6.8 (judging from the strings inside the ROM)

Hi-Red board shot (not by me) here

Donwload link here

There's also a SEPROM (CAT24C02P) that I'll dump later, probably contains configuration data only


Here is the output from i2cdump on the EEPROM. I'm too lazy to convert it to a .bin right now, will do so later. Not much data in there anyways. For the record, it's U16
Posted By: Anna Wu

Re: New dumps - 11/02/12 12:28 PM

Originally Posted By Darkstar
Originally Posted By Darkstar
Oktagon 2008 Zorro II SCSI Controller
Rev.7 board
ROM version 6.8 (judging from the strings inside the ROM)

Hi-Red board shot (not by me) here

Donwload link here

There's also a SEPROM (CAT24C02P) that I'll dump later, probably contains configuration data only


Here is the output from i2cdump on the EEPROM. I'm too lazy to convert it to a .bin right now, will do so later. Not much data in there anyways. For the record, it's U16


My controller configuration will be saved in this EEPROM. smile
Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 11/02/12 12:32 PM

Yeah, but maybe there's a serial number or checksum or something in there as well. It's better to have the dump than to later find out that something is missing smile

-Darkstar
Posted By: Anna Wu

Re: New dumps - 11/02/12 12:45 PM

Here are more hi-res pictures.
Posted By: Anna Wu

Re: New dumps - 11/02/12 12:56 PM

Originally Posted By Darkstar
Yeah, but maybe there's a serial number or checksum or something in there as well. It's better to have the dump than to later find out that something is missing smile

-Darkstar


Quote:
Dear Customer,
If your Oktagon 2008 SCSI controller and Amiga 2000/3000/4000 give you the
message "SoftSCSI Warning !" eeprom configuration data invalid !!! Press
mouse button to continue" after you switched it on, please proceed as follows:
1.) Insert install diskette.
2.) Press left mousebutton, to load the install diskette.
3.) Start HDInstallTools.
4.) Choose "Extras/controller configuration" in the pull-down menue.
5.) Now you get the error message "EEprom Checksum Error".
6.) Click OK; if the configuration window doesn't open, repeat step 6.
7.) As the configuration window appears, click the 'save' option; now the EEprom will be
configured.
After a cold/warm start you will get no further error message.
Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 11/02/12 02:42 PM

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Would you prefer I had not posted the EEPROM dump? If so, I can remove the link again. But simply posting random passages from the manual won't help me understand the point you're trying to make
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 11/02/12 02:46 PM

Her point is that the EEPROM dump isn't required, but we're glad to have one anyway because this is spartaMESS.
Posted By: Duke

Re: New dumps - 11/02/12 02:53 PM

I thought it might contain the AutoConfig info, but the data doesn't make much sense for that. Can you dump the PAL/GALs too?
Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 11/02/12 05:56 PM

Originally Posted By Duke
I thought it might contain the AutoConfig info, but the data doesn't make much sense for that. Can you dump the PAL/GALs too?

Nope, sorry, don't have a dumper for that.

They are socketed though, so I could just mail them off to someone.

Or is there an easy way to dump them? Like, "apply an x-bit string on pins y..z and read the q-bit value from pins r..s as result"? If so, then I could pull it off smile
Posted By: Stiletto

Re: New dumps - 11/02/12 07:18 PM

Originally Posted By Stiletto
Definitely related chips here:
http://www.datasheetarchive.com/LH5332600N-datasheet.html
Note chart: most of these are 44SOP 32M-bit Mask ROM: ex. LHMV55XX

Also means it's most likely ROM and will need to be dumped...

Instead, the small chip: 47C241M ?

Well, TMP47C241MG is TCLS-47 series 4-bit CPU.
http://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/470177/TOSHIBA/TMP47C241MG.html

[EDIT] That's it, got it. Same number of pins... laugh

Can't find a disassembler for TCLS-47 quickly but Macroassembler AS is free assembler: http://john.ccac.rwth-aachen.de:8000/as/as_EN.html

(FWIW MAME is shaping up to become a disassembler for every assemble that Macroassembler AS supports laugh )


So yeah, unless VTech is lying on the printing on the chips, looks like we know what the CPU is, and we don't have a core for it. And likely ROM, although we don't have the exact specs yet.
Posted By: judge

Re: New dumps - 11/02/12 07:37 PM

4bit cpu sounds a bit weird in combination with a 32Mbit rom though...

Perhaps it's an mcu that controls some other things?
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 11/02/12 07:46 PM

Yeah, I'm skeptical about that myself.
Posted By: Duke

Re: New dumps - 11/02/12 10:57 PM

Originally Posted By Darkstar
Originally Posted By Duke
I thought it might contain the AutoConfig info, but the data doesn't make much sense for that. Can you dump the PAL/GALs too?

Nope, sorry, don't have a dumper for that.

They are socketed though, so I could just mail them off to someone.

Or is there an easy way to dump them? Like, "apply an x-bit string on pins y..z and read the q-bit value from pins r..s as result"? If so, then I could pull it off smile


You could build this I suppose: http://cgfm2.emuviews.com/elec/pal.php laugh

Anyway it's not really that important. Just something nice to have.
Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 11/02/12 11:14 PM

Umm... okay, this looks like an awful amount of work. In that case I'd probably prefer mailing them somewhere, should they turn out to be helpful at some point.

It should be possible to design some smart(er) software that does all the analysis, so that you'd just have to hook up the PAL to a microcontroller and the software does all the heavy lifting... But I'm not really sure if that would be worth the trouble
Posted By: Stiletto

Re: New dumps - 11/03/12 07:11 PM

Originally Posted By R. Belmont
Yeah, I'm skeptical about that myself.


Gah, the epoxy blob with all the lines to it is staring me in the face.

Okay, right, CPU is under that epoxy blob and we've no idea what it is, forget I said anything.

At least we know the supporting chipset smile
Posted By: TeamE

Re: New dumps - 11/12/12 07:42 PM

info:
http://team-europe.blogspot.com

roms
http://www.sendspace.com/file/copp5c
Posted By: TeamE

Re: New dumps - 11/21/12 11:13 AM

another four VTECH cartridges for their "Learning Laptops" are dumped:

http://team-europe.blogspot.com/2012/11/preservation-of-vtech-stuff-part-two.html

dumps:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/vwcfjo
Posted By: MetalliC

Re: New dumps - 12/02/12 02:27 PM

some new Megadrive dumps can be found here and here. almost all of them is late 200x russian translations (2005 Russian version) and/or hacks

and rare unlicensed port of "Chip and Dale Rescue Rangers" pcb pic
Posted By: Dullaron

Re: New dumps - 12/06/12 09:16 AM

I'm pretty sure they want dumps not hacks.
Posted By: etabeta78

Re: New dumps - 12/06/12 12:02 PM

actually, those are dumps from carts sold in Russia. as such they are eligible for inclusion, as most bootlegs in MAME...
Posted By: Dullaron

Re: New dumps - 12/07/12 05:18 AM

Oh OK.
Posted By: Robbbert

Re: New dumps - 12/07/12 06:27 AM

Originally Posted By MetalliC
some new Megadrive dumps can be found

and rare unlicensed port of "Chip and Dale Rescue Rangers" pcb pic


404 is all I get...
Posted By: MetalliC

Re: New dumps - 12/07/12 04:45 PM

Originally Posted By Robbbert
Originally Posted By MetalliC
some new Megadrive dumps can be found

and rare unlicensed port of "Chip and Dale Rescue Rangers" pcb pic


404 is all I get...

strange, here is mirror http://www.sendspace.com/file/sgmdyn
Posted By: Malice

Re: New dumps - 12/08/12 12:49 AM

CMD Ultra IDE Controller BIOS. CSA-649U v1.9.14

http://bios-mods.com/resources/Option%20...49_ide_1914.bin

a lot of IDE/raid bios's and others can be found here:

http://bios-mods.com/resources/
Posted By: Robbbert

Re: New dumps - 12/08/12 11:50 PM

Originally Posted By MetalliC
Originally Posted By Robbbert
Originally Posted By MetalliC
some new Megadrive dumps can be found

and rare unlicensed port of "Chip and Dale Rescue Rangers" pcb pic


404 is all I get...

strange, here is mirror http://www.sendspace.com/file/sgmdyn


Thanks, that worked. smile
Posted By: Malice

Re: New dumps - 12/24/12 11:44 AM

I was wondering with all the recent floppy controller work would any of the dev's be interested in a Copy II PC Option board i have?
Posted By: Curt Coder

Re: New dumps - 12/25/12 07:23 PM

Originally Posted By Malice
I was wondering with all the recent floppy controller work would any of the dev's be interested in a Copy II PC Option board i have?


ROM dumps and PCB photos are always interesting smile
Posted By: Lord Nightmare

Re: New dumps - 12/25/12 10:18 PM

Originally Posted By Malice
I was wondering with all the recent floppy controller work would any of the dev's be interested in a Copy II PC Option board i have?


YES.

LN
Posted By: Alegend45

Re: New dumps - 12/26/12 02:07 AM

Is that some sort of Apple ][ disk copier thing for the IBM PC?
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 12/26/12 03:54 AM

No, it's some sort of IBM PC disk copier thing for the IBM PC which also could be used as a sort of primitive Catweasel in a pinch. Does your computer not get Google or Wikipedia?
Posted By: Alegend45

Re: New dumps - 12/26/12 04:08 AM

It does, I was just trying to test out my technical knowledge, by making an educated guess.
Posted By: Malice

Re: New dumps - 12/26/12 10:22 AM

i don't have any dumping equipment but i can upload some pictures.



Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 12/26/12 02:04 PM

Mmm, one big custom chip, nothing else of note. It's likely worthless to MESS then anyway.
Posted By: Phil Bennett

Re: New dumps - 12/26/12 02:16 PM

Looks like a mask-programmed Hitachi MCU
Posted By: Curt Coder

Re: New dumps - 12/26/12 03:42 PM

Hitachi HG61H09 master slice CMOS gate array, no ROM there frown
Posted By: Shideravan

Re: New dumps - 01/03/13 03:38 PM

There's dumps already for GameKing (those chinese handhelds)?

There's a guy from my city that is selling a GameKing I " 3 in 1"(from the description that him gave to me is probably the GM-218 model).
His claim to have a Gamate too (but I think that for this one already have dumps in project, don't have?)

Posted By: judge

Re: New dumps - 01/03/13 07:10 PM

Apparently there were once some dumps for gameking, but we don't seem to have them. Gamate dumps I don't remember ever seeing, otherwise there'd have been a driver in mess wink
Posted By: Rayman

Re: New dumps - 01/03/13 09:37 PM

I think there's a emulator for Nintendo DS called "GameKengu" that already emulates GameKing.
Posted By: ranger_lennier

Re: New dumps - 01/03/13 10:53 PM

Well, apparently there's a GameKing emulator, but I've never seen ROM dumps.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/gamekingemu/

I talked to Peter Trauner about Gamate dumping a few years ago. He'd made some progress, but I don't think he'd gotten a good dump at that point at least.

If anyone does know how to dump them, I have both systems along with several games.
Posted By: Shideravan

Re: New dumps - 01/03/13 11:44 PM

Quote:
If anyone does know how to dump them, I have both systems along with several games.

Wow!
That's great smile
Guru could not dump them?
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 01/03/13 11:56 PM

Guru is semi-retired. He wanted other people to learn to dump, and they did, and so he only handles really tough stuff now (which doesn't come up much).

Also, it's slow and expensive getting stuff through Aussie customs when you have him dump things.
Posted By: Shideravan

Re: New dumps - 01/04/13 12:00 AM

Guru was certainly a great name in emulation history smile
Posted By: Rayman

Re: New dumps - 01/07/13 11:52 PM

Just a silly question:
Is there any driver that already have dumps, but don't have driver in MESS yet?
Posted By: MetalliC

Re: New dumps - 01/13/13 05:28 PM

Super Mario World 64 (unlicensed) for Genesis/Megadrive

currently works only on GenesisPlusGX
Posted By: MikeAbson

Re: New dumps - 01/14/13 02:26 AM

Originally Posted By Rayman
Just a silly question:
Is there any driver that already have dumps, but don't have driver in MESS yet?


I believe the PS2 falls in to this category.
Posted By: Rayman

Re: New dumps - 01/15/13 01:54 PM

Originally Posted By MikeAbson
Originally Posted By Rayman
Just a silly question:
Is there any driver that already have dumps, but don't have driver in MESS yet?


I believe the PS2 falls in to this category.

I don't understand so much, but creating skeletons for these systems that are already dumped may be a good way to save the documentations smile
Also, is good to see the drivers in emulator to view in a frontend.
Community is working hard and is good to see the information about systems there.
Posted By: Shideravan

Re: New dumps - 01/15/13 02:57 PM

Originally Posted By MikeAbson
Originally Posted By Rayman
Just a silly question:
Is there any driver that already have dumps, but don't have driver in MESS yet?


I believe the PS2 falls in to this category.

Devs can help more with this information, but Sony recently ended support for PS2 in Japanese market. And soon will end in USA and Europe too. It don't will take much time.
But for long I know, until there is better to focus in systems already off market, because the MESS project don't intend to harm the manufacters in any way.

For anyone interested in help to create a skeleton driver and don't know how to begin, there's a good section in MESS wiki recently recovered, that cover this theme:
http://www.mess.org/howto/add_a_mess_skeleton_driver
Posted By: incog

Re: New dumps - 01/15/13 05:00 PM

MAME already has skeletons for PS2, xbox and gamecube derived arcade boards so skeletons for those wouldnt be so hard.

There are still a few interesting dumps around that are not in MESS, like the Nintendo iQue, an n64-on-a-chip flash memory based console only released in China, games were loaded onto it from paid terminals in an attempt to minimize cart piracy.
Posted By: Dullaron

Re: New dumps - 01/15/13 09:35 PM

Remember that MESS isn't going to be quick on getting bunches of systems to run right because of the lacking on info's and other stuff that isn't on the internet. Very hard to get the systems to work right fully. I understand it will take many of years or more just to get a PS and others complete working. Same way as MAME.

Don't go crazy when something that is added and mark as not working or disabled.

I don't like to play something that isn't working right. This is why I go over here at http://www.progettoemma.net/mess/ to check what is fully working.
Posted By: Shideravan

Re: New dumps - 01/15/13 09:45 PM

Sure!
The main importance of adding skeletons is generally share documentation...
Not for "new games/systems to play now" wink
Posted By: Shideravan

Re: New dumps - 01/20/13 02:46 PM

Talking about drivers documentation...
How many dumps of CD-i and 3DO versions are known?
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 01/26/13 08:12 PM

Some new AT hardware dumps ... two fullsize AT 286 boards (NCR PC-8 and an unknown 286), and NCR 386sx and 386 boards that were plugged into an ISA backplane.

The NCR archive is large (~45MB), because I've added photos of some peripheral cards.

The ROM of the unknown 286 is rather neat, both halves are clearly labelled "LOW" and "HIGH" and "Program begins here"

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55419307/AT%20286%20Precise%20860407.rar

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55419307/NCR%20PCs.rar

Robert
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 01/26/13 08:15 PM

Heh, that's great (re: the neat labels) smile
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 01/26/13 08:43 PM

Here be high byttes :)))
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 01/26/13 09:37 PM

Updated the NCR PC archive with a dump of the VGA Video ROM done with the BIOSDUMP utility found here

http://thestarman.pcministry.com/asm/bios/index.html#COPY

and a disk image of NCR DOS 3.3 that displays the BIOS version of the board.

Robert
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 01/29/13 07:42 PM

Had to re-read the Keyboard MCUs because 1K was duplicated instead of 2K properly read ...

Here are the archives again:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55419307/AT%20286%20Precise%20860407.rar

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55419307/NCR%20PCs.rar

and just the MCU data:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55419307/Keyboard%20MCUs.rar

Robert
Posted By: Shideravan

Re: New dumps - 01/29/13 09:26 PM

Originally Posted By Shideravan
Originally Posted By MikeAbson
Originally Posted By Rayman
Just a silly question:
Is there any driver that already have dumps, but don't have driver in MESS yet?


I believe the PS2 falls in to this category.

Devs can help more with this information, but Sony recently ended support for PS2 in Japanese market. And soon will end in USA and Europe too. It don't will take much time.
But for long I know, until there is better to focus in systems already off market, because the MESS project don't intend to harm the manufacters in any way.


Ok, the Playstation 2 was already discontinued...
Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/jan/04/playstation-2-manufacture-ends-years?INTCMP=SRCH
Posted By: Shideravan

Re: New dumps - 01/29/13 09:34 PM

Originally Posted By incog
MAME already has skeletons for PS2, xbox and gamecube derived arcade boards so skeletons for those wouldnt be so hard.

There are still a few interesting dumps around that are not in MESS, like the Nintendo iQue, an n64-on-a-chip flash memory based console only released in China, games were loaded onto it from paid terminals in an attempt to minimize cart piracy.


Ok, talking about discontinuations...

GameCube: http://migre.me/d1Pyh

X-Box: http://migre.me/d1PxQ

Zeebo: Not only was discontinued in September 30, 2011. Also official website is using the trademark for another project: http://www.zeeboinc.com/

Xavix PORT: Not only discontinued, official website is off, since 2009 :p http://www.xavix.com/
Posted By: LoganB

Re: New dumps - 01/29/13 09:57 PM

Originally Posted By Shideravan

Xavix PORT: Not only discontinued, official website is off, since 2009 :p http://www.xavix.com/


Erm... I wouldn't call the XaviXPort discontinued as the XavixPort store's website is still up, so at least you can still buy it from them:
http://tinyurl.com/a5flojd
Posted By: Shideravan

Re: New dumps - 01/29/13 10:08 PM

Originally Posted By LoganB
Originally Posted By Shideravan

Xavix PORT: Not only discontinued, official website is off, since 2009 :p http://www.xavix.com/


Erm... I wouldn't call the XaviXPort discontinued as the XavixPort store's website is still up, so at least you can still buy it from them:
http://tinyurl.com/a5flojd


Ooopss...
My error...
Thanks LoganB!
Posted By: LoganB

Re: New dumps - 01/29/13 10:15 PM

Quote:

Dear Logan,

Thank you for your inquiry and letting us know one of our website is down. We are checking the problem currently and going to fix it.
XaviX PORT and related applications are continued. If you purchase our products, please go to http:///www.xavixstore.com.
If you have more questions, please let us know.


Best regards,

Customer Service

XaviX/LIT Lifestyle Interactive Technologies Inc.

Yep, definitely still continued.
Posted By: Just Desserts

Re: New dumps - 01/30/13 02:15 AM

Originally Posted By incog
There are still a few interesting dumps around that are not in MESS, like the Nintendo iQue, an n64-on-a-chip flash memory based console only released in China, games were loaded onto it from paid terminals in an attempt to minimize cart piracy.


There's no point in supporting the iQue yet until the encryption on the games is broken, unless people are looking for yet another non-working Nintendo 64 driver. Fortunately, a little birdie told me he's looking into exactly that. Not me, but someone who I'm confident has the means to do so.
Posted By: Christina

Re: New dumps - 02/12/13 04:32 PM

Originally Posted By Shideravan
Originally Posted By incog
MAME already has skeletons for PS2, xbox and gamecube derived arcade boards so skeletons for those wouldnt be so hard.


Ok, talking about discontinuations...

GameCube: http://migre.me/d1Pyh

X-Box: http://migre.me/d1PxQ

Zeebo: Not only was discontinued in September 30, 2011. Also official website is using the trademark for another project: http://www.zeeboinc.com/

I don't know why don't add skeleton drivers for these old systems, all discontinued, in MESS.
Of course is far away from reality to maintain these drivers in MESS today, and surely MESS have a lot of drivers to improve for now.
But certainly, a driver and source code will provide documentation for the drivers little by little.
Since nobody will can claim nothing for non-functional drivers (nor say that this could "harm" the companies), the drivers and information will be alread there for studies and to easy future work in the drivers.
I think that the skeleton additions will come very handy wink
Also, some devs are already claiming that they missing "new fresh blood" in MAME/MESS projects.
Of course new systems provide a lot of challenges that may attract new people. And with drivers in MAME such Chihiro, Triforce and System 246, I don't see why not add X-Box, Triforce and Playstation 2 in MESS too
Posted By: Haze

Re: New dumps - 02/12/13 04:42 PM

I don't think anybody is really going to be attracted when it comes to those systems because performance of them is so utterly undesirable.

It's basically impossible to develop a driver when a debug build runs it at 1 frame every 5 seconds.

Note, I am generally in favor of skeletons, but I don't really think having skeletons for those systems is going to make people jump up and contribute, if anything they serve more to show the projects as irrelevant because we can't even hit 1% speed on them.
Posted By: Rayman

Re: New dumps - 02/12/13 05:24 PM

Originally Posted By Haze
I don't think anybody is really going to be attracted when it comes to those systems because performance of them is so utterly undesirable.

It's basically impossible to develop a driver when a debug build runs it at 1 frame every 5 seconds.

Note, I am generally in favor of skeletons, but I don't really think having skeletons for those systems is going to make people jump up and contribute, if anything they serve more to show the projects as irrelevant because we can't even hit 1% speed on them.

I agree in parts with Haze!
But I'm sure that new drivers with source code are more documentations for the project...
That said, I don't think that devs have to worry to get much flesh to the bones for these systems...
And, ok, I'll love to see new chapters in awesome sysinfo and MESSinfo encyclopedia!
Posted By: mangamuscle

Re: New dumps - 02/13/13 02:06 AM

Out of curiosity, was there any EGA card that used the a true MC6845 (and if so, is there a dump of the rom of said videocard to preserve it)? From what I read in the wikipedia entry all EGA cards used a LSI reimplementation of said chip that "differs in a few register addresses and functions" from the MC6845.
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 02/13/13 02:16 AM

AFAIK it's not possible to do EGA with a true MC6845, much as you can't do Sega Master System with a true TMS9929.
Posted By: judge

Re: New dumps - 02/13/13 07:05 AM

The wikipedia page actually used to say that EGA used an mc6845. That was simply incorrect so I changed it wink
Posted By: TeamE

Re: New dumps - 02/16/13 07:30 AM

"CAD Professor Maus" for Prof. Weiss-Alles or Socrates...

http://team-europe.blogspot.co.at/2013/02/new-cartridge-dump-for-socrates-prof.html


dump:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/20wwob
Posted By: etabeta78

Re: New dumps - 02/16/13 07:54 AM

it was in the process of being added and it got commit few minutes ago, when I woke up
Dumping Union dumps are seldom ignored wink
Posted By: 342234

Re: New dumps - 02/16/13 11:17 PM

I'm checking about Tandy 1000 System ROM BIOSes on rom.h

The following romset is same as mine (checksum)

710 { 0x850276fc , 0x4000, "Tandy 1000/a/hd 1.01.00" },
711 { 0xb6760881 , 0x10000, "OVERDUMP Tandy 1000 1.01.00" },
712 { 0x7cde748a , 0x4000, "Tandy 1000ex/sx 1.02.00" },
715 { 0x9b34765c , 0x8000, "Tandy 1000tx 1.03.00" }, /* most likely 2 16kbyte chips */
716 { 0xf607533b , 0x10000, "OVERDUMP Tandy 1000 1.03.00 (last 32kbyte)" },


I've checked the following.
They must be bad or incomplete dump.

732 { 0x11cb1983, 0x10000, "UNUSEABLE PART TANDY 1000 RLX
733 { 0xf518ab17 , 0x10000, "INCOMPLETE Tandy1td? (DAC) (2.00.00)" },
734 { 0xe288f12c , 0x10000, "INCOMPLETE Tandy 1000TL/2? (2.00.00)" },
Posted By: Malice

Re: New dumps - 02/17/13 03:35 AM

Shuttle Hot-433 [486/586] [Socket 3]

4 isa / 4 pci / up to 256MB ram / 25-120mhz cpu / LBA HD support / AMI WinBIOS.

some bios revs added support for AMD Am5x86-P75 133mhz pentium compatible chip.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/6b4xnb

I tried the bios in MESS to get a screen shot but it wouldn't post. Maybe the bios needs a special hookup or the UMC chipset is too different from the other supported chipsets.

zip file contains 3 BIOS revs motherboard pic and manual.
Posted By: 342234

Re: New dumps - 02/17/13 07:21 AM

I can't understand why hacked ROM is verified and corrected dumped ROM is bad dumped.

Example :

MSX2 Daewoo CPC-300E : cpc300e
--> 300eext.rom (Cracked ROM)
--> 300ehan.rom (Bad dumped, half size of 300han.rom)

MSX2 Sony HB-F1XD (hbf1xd), Sony HB-F1XDmkII (hbf1xdm2)
--> Why all ROM needs redump needed?

Sony HB-F1XD and HB-F1XDmkII include each same ROM.

I have original dumped both ROMs.



Posted By: LoganB

Re: New dumps - 02/17/13 07:30 AM

If you've dumped these roms yourself, why not post them here so they can be included in the driver?
Posted By: 342234

Re: New dumps - 02/17/13 07:49 AM

I saw unused dumped of Tandy 1000 RLX on roms.h

"0x664f5360 , 0x80000, "Tandy 1000 RLX (2.00.00)"

I wonder this dumped rom is bad dumped or not.

Tandy 1000RL (02.00.01) is used on emulator.
(It doesn't boot correctly due to lack of switching of bank adrress for Deskmate.)
Posted By: Anna Wu

Re: New dumps - 02/17/13 12:40 PM

We still need an maintainer for the msx driver.
I have a bunch of new dumped ROMs which I use with openMSX.

342234, it will be useful to tell us your checksums for the comparison.
Posted By: shattered

Re: New dumps - 02/17/13 03:16 PM

Casio FP-200 dumps & service manual are in pockemul's svn:

ROMs: http://code.google.com/p/pockemul/source/browse/trunk/resources/fp200/

SM: http://code.google.com/p/pockemul/source/browse/trunk/Documentation/Casio+FP-200/
Posted By: 342234

Re: New dumps - 02/25/13 08:28 AM

I have dumped PC-6001 CGROM from M5C6847-1.
But MESS seems not to accept this ROM.
It is used as CGROM60S.60 on other PC-6001 emulator.
(PC-6001V / PC-6001VW)
I think MC6847 of MESS font is not same as PC-6001's.
So separate rom is needed.

Posted By: Curt Coder

Re: New dumps - 02/25/13 09:11 AM

A lot of stuff in MESS is purely guesswork, if you have ROM dumps please forward them to us so we can fix things.
Posted By: 342234

Re: New dumps - 02/27/13 12:41 AM

>A lot of stuff in MESS is purely guesswork, if you have ROM dumps >please forward them to us so we can fix things.

Well, I don't believe MESS's stuff so much.
I used to give a few of dumped ROMs ago.
But I feel that it is useless.
For example, a good dumped ROMs is as bad dump now.
Any cracked or bad dumped is as good dumped now.

So I'll Not contribute ROM any more.
Because verified ROMs is changed as Bad Dumped as Sony HB-F1XD/XDmkII
I'll only report if MESS stuff believe or not.
Posted By: A. Viloria

Re: New dumps - 02/27/13 01:08 AM

Found more svmu roms here.

I don't know if it is allowed to give an external link to a rom-holder site... if it is forbidden, please fell free to delete this entry...
Posted By: Just Desserts

Re: New dumps - 02/27/13 01:24 AM

Originally Posted By 342234
Well, I don't believe MESS's stuff so much.
I used to give a few of dumped ROMs ago.
But I feel that it is useless.
For example, a good dumped ROMs is as bad dump now.
Any cracked or bad dumped is as good dumped now.

So I'll Not contribute ROM any more.
Because verified ROMs is changed as Bad Dumped as Sony HB-F1XD/XDmkII
I'll only report if MESS stuff believe or not.


What information do we have to use other than guesswork? A good dump is marked as a bad dump, a bad dump is marked as a good dump, why? Because we don't know any better. We have no Japanese developers who work on MESS, all of the information we get on these systems is from a person, who told a person, who told another person.

You tell us that you dumped a ROM, so the ROM must be a good dump and we will be happy to amend the driver, why be angry with us over a mistake? If there is a mistake in a MESS driver, it is because we had no better information at the time, why not work with us to fix the problem instead of getting angry with us and ensuring the problem is never fixed?
Posted By: 342234

Re: New dumps - 02/27/13 01:51 AM

Originally Posted By Just Desserts


What information do we have to use other than guesswork? A good dump is marked as a bad dump, a bad dump is marked as a good dump, why? Because we don't know any better. We have no Japanese developers who work on MESS, all of the information we get on these systems is from a person, who told a person, who told another person.

You tell us that you dumped a ROM, so the ROM must be a good dump and we will be happy to amend the driver, why be angry with us over a mistake? If there is a mistake in a MESS driver, it is because we had no better information at the time, why not work with us to fix the problem instead of getting angry with us and ensuring the problem is never fixed?


I remember Sony HB-F1XD/XDmkII ROM is added as verified ROM.
But it has been changed as Bad Dumped.
I really didn't know the fact.
If this is changed Bad Dumped, at least reporter must be give
other dumped ROM sets.

Also I reported about problem of MC6847 emulation with PC-6001.
But MESS stuff disregard the problem.

I reported more problem about Tandy 1000 font, MC6847 font problem with screenshot.

I think MESS stuff will not be interested in fixing this bug and desregard.

I only report the fact not for contribute Rom.

Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 02/27/13 02:02 AM

The HB-F1XD ROM was marked bad by Judge in this commit on October 5, 2008. Judge, any comments?

With respect to the MC6847, your reports have been logged but the person who maintains that chip does not work on MESS very often so it may take a long time before the fix is applied.
Posted By: etabeta78

Re: New dumps - 02/27/13 07:09 AM

Originally Posted By 342234
I think MESS stuff will not be interested in fixing this bug and desregard.


we basically have no more msx experts active among the developers (basically, only Judge remains, but he also maintains many other drivers and he has not touched msx for a few years)
this makes difficult to have immediate fixes to any bug for this driver
Posted By: A. Viloria

Re: New dumps - 02/27/13 11:26 AM

Originally Posted By Anna Wu
We still need an maintainer for the msx driver.
I have a bunch of new dumped ROMs which I use with openMSX.


Originally Posted By etabeta78
we basically have no more msx experts active among the developers (basically, only Judge remains, but he also maintains many other drivers and he has not touched msx for a few years)


I'm just introducing to MESS code (just a few contributions), but I'm an experienced C/C++ developer with hardware knowledge, and I would like to help.

Please, let me know how could I contribute in this way.

I have sent a message to Judge to request a starting point from his TODO-list, but any help going into this subject will be very useful!

Thank you in advance. I hope to keep up! smile
Posted By: Duke

Re: New dumps - 02/27/13 01:00 PM

I'm not sure if a massive ancient driver like MSX is a good starting point, but great to hear some interest! The quickest way to get answer is usually the IRC channel, many developers are there including Judge.

My advice would be to look at a simple driver and try to understand the MAME/MESS architecture.

Examples:

http://git.redump.net/mame/tree/src/mess/drivers/mc10.c
http://git.redump.net/mame/tree/src/mess/drivers/px4.c

Be sure to pick a "modernized" driver though, MAME/MESS have gone through a lot of core changes lately.
Posted By: A. Viloria

Re: New dumps - 02/27/13 02:28 PM

Thanks @Duke for your answer and your advices.

I have spent some time in the past 3-4 weeks looking at the MAME/MESS code, and I have submited some 'savestate' code to RB... I know I am far away from having a global view of the architecture on my mind... but I know there are too many things in the TODO-list, and I think that I could help on basics, and step-by-step getting into the architecture.

Right now, I have really small information about the project roadmap or the special needings, but I have found in the forums several "help wanted" messages, and maybe I could help... I'll join to the IRC channel as you suggested.

Thank you so much!
Posted By: judge

Re: New dumps - 02/27/13 07:16 PM

Originally Posted By 342234
I can't understand why hacked ROM is verified and corrected dumped ROM is bad dumped.

Example :

MSX2 Daewoo CPC-300E : cpc300e
--> 300eext.rom (Cracked ROM)
--> 300ehan.rom (Bad dumped, half size of 300han.rom)

MSX2 Sony HB-F1XD (hbf1xd), Sony HB-F1XDmkII (hbf1xdm2)
--> Why all ROM needs redump needed?

Sony HB-F1XD and HB-F1XDmkII include each same ROM.

I have original dumped both ROMs.


Short answer: Either we don't know any better, or we do know better.

Longer answer:

Regarding the cpc300e: We didn't know these were cracked or under dumped roms. If you know the real checksums for the cpc300e, please let us know so we can look out for the real roms or submit the real rome then we can fix the rom definitions.

Regarding the hbf1xd and hbf1xdm2 drivers: These machines apparently have 1 big 64KB rom, only parts of this big rom have been dumped and are available. We would need a direct dump from that 64KB rom then we can be sure of the exact order of data is in that rom. This is why it is marked as a bad dump.
For the nms8245 and nms8245f there is a similar story. These machines contain a 128KB rom and the upper or lower part is active selecting french or english. Here also the exact order is not known, so bad dump.

Posted By: Anna Wu

Re: New dumps - 02/28/13 02:55 AM

Originally Posted By 342234
>A lot of stuff in MESS is purely guesswork, if you have ROM dumps >please forward them to us so we can fix things.

Well, I don't believe MESS's stuff so much.
I used to give a few of dumped ROMs ago.
But I feel that it is useless.
For example, a good dumped ROMs is as bad dump now.
Any cracked or bad dumped is as good dumped now.

So I'll Not contribute ROM any more.
Because verified ROMs is changed as Bad Dumped as Sony HB-F1XD/XDmkII
I'll only report if MESS stuff believe or not.


Your posting is not really helpful. I asked for the checksums but no feedback.

As I said, I have a bunch of dumped ROMs which I use for openMSX.
Some are different to the MESS ones.

Originally Posted By Anna Wu
We still need an maintainer for the msx driver.
I have a bunch of new dumped ROMs which I use with openMSX.

342234, it will be useful to tell us your checksums for the comparison.


Im still in contact with the openMSX devs so we can make a double check.
Posted By: Anna Wu

Re: New dumps - 02/28/13 03:53 AM

Originally Posted By 342234
I have dumped PC-6001 CGROM from M5C6847-1.
But MESS seems not to accept this ROM.
It is used as CGROM60S.60 on other PC-6001 emulator.
(PC-6001V / PC-6001VW)
I think MC6847 of MESS font is not same as PC-6001's.
So separate rom is needed.



Ill contact Bernie to check our used ROMs.
Are you the person which makes a posting on his BBS?
Posted By: 342234

Re: New dumps - 02/28/13 12:06 PM

Originally Posted By judge
Originally Posted By 342234
I can't understand why hacked ROM is verified and corrected dumped ROM is bad dumped.

Example :

MSX2 Daewoo CPC-300E : cpc300e
--> 300eext.rom (Cracked ROM)
--> 300ehan.rom (Bad dumped, half size of 300han.rom)

MSX2 Sony HB-F1XD (hbf1xd), Sony HB-F1XDmkII (hbf1xdm2)
--> Why all ROM needs redump needed?

Sony HB-F1XD and HB-F1XDmkII include each same ROM.

I have original dumped both ROMs.


Short answer: Either we don't know any better, or we do know better.

Longer answer:

Regarding the cpc300e: We didn't know these were cracked or under dumped roms. If you know the real checksums for the cpc300e, please let us know so we can look out for the real roms or submit the real rome then we can fix the rom definitions.

Regarding the hbf1xd and hbf1xdm2 drivers: These machines apparently have 1 big 64KB rom, only parts of this big rom have been dumped and are available. We would need a direct dump from that 64KB rom then we can be sure of the exact order of data is in that rom. This is why it is marked as a bad dump.
For the nms8245 and nms8245f there is a similar story. These machines contain a 128KB rom and the upper or lower part is active selecting french or english. Here also the exact order is not known, so bad dump.



Why HB-F1XD/XDMkII is bad dumped?
Do you know about MSX2 HB-F1XD/XDmkII Spec?

ROM : 32KB (Main BIOS : Slot 0, 0000-7FFF) / 16KB (Extended BIOS : Slot 3-0 / 0000-3FFF) / 16KB (Disk Kernel & BASIC : Slot 3-0, 4000-7FFF)

Why 64KB of ROM must be needed instead of separate ROMs?

If the ROM must be 64KB, why Not change HB-F1 / HB-F1 II / FS-A1/FS-A1mkII/FS-A1F's ROM as Bad Dumped? (Re-Dump Needs)

If MESS stuff marks all MSX ROMS as Bad-Dump (Re-Dump Needs),
I'll admit your thought, ok?

About CPC-300e, refer this site.

http://www.vik.cc/bluemsx/blueforum/viewtopic.php?t=1569&start=75

You can see the comment of "mars2000you"


"It's not a real dump, I've patched the extended bios of the CPC-300 to create the CPC-300E machine."

I think this patched (cracked) bios must be added on MESS.

I'll Not contribte CPC-300e BIOS.
But you can refer the checksum and picture of motherboard.


http://www.mediafire.com/?h8jbce1gx0y2ror

OS 7.7 (5CC1) --> 300ebios.rom (32KB) Checksum (SUM) is 003b5cc1 / SHA1:affa3c5cd8db79a1450ad8a7f405a425b251653d
HAN 7.15 (12CD) --> 300ehan.rom (32KB) Checksum (SUM) is 003a12cd / SHA1:09f7d788698a23aa7eec140237e907d4c37cbfe0
CPC-300E EXT V1.0 --> 300eext.rom (32KB) Checksum (SUM) is c52bddda / SHA1:47a9d9a24e4fc6f9467c6e7d61a02d45f5a753ef

300ehan.rom must be 32KB (Not 16KB).
This must be same 32KB as 300han.rom (CPC-300)
Posted By: 342234

Re: New dumps - 02/28/13 12:33 PM

Originally Posted By etabeta78
Originally Posted By 342234
I think MESS stuff will not be interested in fixing this bug and desregard.


we basically have no more msx experts active among the developers (basically, only Judge remains, but he also maintains many other drivers and he has not touched msx for a few years)
this makes difficult to have immediate fixes to any bug for this driver


So I don't want contribute a few of MSX BIOSes, because it is no helpful to improve MSX emulation anymore.
Posted By: etabeta78

Re: New dumps - 02/28/13 01:13 PM

Originally Posted By 342234
So I don't want contribute a few of MSX BIOSes, because it is no helpful to improve MSX emulation anymore.


??

Since we have only few experts, any external contribution like yours is very welcome, so I really don't understand your post smile
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 02/28/13 01:38 PM

He's saying unless developers are standing by it's not worth his while to contribute BIOSes. I don't know that I buy that coming from someone who took over 5 years to complain about the Sony sets, mind you.
Posted By: 342234

Re: New dumps - 02/28/13 02:17 PM

Originally Posted By etabeta78
Originally Posted By 342234
So I don't want contribute a few of MSX BIOSes, because it is no helpful to improve MSX emulation anymore.


??

Since we have only few experts, any external contribution like yours is very welcome, so I really don't understand your post smile


But anyway, it is no helpful for me to contribute new MSX rom sets though you can't understand.
Posted By: plgDavid

Re: New dumps - 02/28/13 04:57 PM

Speaking of which I dumped the bios of the Casio PV-16 MSX Machine:
CRC32 EE229390
SHA1 302AFB5D8BE26C758309CA3DF611AE69CCED2821

Theres quite a few such dumps already in MESS.
So you could use the same binary.

EDIT1: make that PV-16
EDIT2: I dont have the ROM markings since I used the tape output trick and not a EPROM reader for this one (didnt even open the machine)
Posted By: judge

Re: New dumps - 02/28/13 07:13 PM

Thanks for the information, the cpc300e roms are now marked as bad; we weren't aware that they came from a hacked set.

Regarding the Sony HB-F1XD and HB-F1XDmkII, see http://gomsx.net/hansotten/msxdocs/sonyhbf1xdsm.pdf 19th page.
IC27 (LH531063) on that page is a ROM chip, a 128KB ROM chip.
In MESS we document the actual rom chips as they appear in hardware, not the little sections of ROM chips that are readable in a computers memory space. This is one of the big differences between how MESS and other max emulators document the msx machines.
Posted By: judge

Re: New dumps - 02/28/13 07:28 PM

Originally Posted By plgDavid
Speaking of which I dumped the bios of the Casio PV-16 MSX Machine:
CRC32 EE229390
SHA1 302AFB5D8BE26C758309CA3DF611AE69CCED2821

Theres quite a few such dumps already in MESS.
So you could use the same binary.

EDIT1: make that PV-16
EDIT2: I dont have the ROM markings since I used the tape output trick and not a EPROM reader for this one (didnt even open the machine)


Thanks, added it.
Posted By: plgDavid

Re: New dumps - 02/28/13 07:36 PM

Cool judge, thanks
Posted By: Justin

Re: New dumps - 02/28/13 08:40 PM

Originally Posted By judge
In MESS we document the actual rom chips as they appear in hardware, not the little sections of ROM chips that are readable in a computers memory space. This is one of the big differences between how MESS and other max emulators document the msx machines.


Yes, ideally we prefer to have dumps corresponding to the real ROM chips. But if only the split up versions are available, we are happy to accept those, since it is better than nothing.
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 02/28/13 08:42 PM

Yeah, it's important to point out that the BAD_DUMP dumps are still there pending someone using an EPROM reader.
Posted By: Justin

Re: New dumps - 02/28/13 08:47 PM

Originally Posted By 342234
I'm checking about Tandy 1000 System ROM BIOSes on rom.h

The following romset is same as mine (checksum)

710 { 0x850276fc , 0x4000, "Tandy 1000/a/hd 1.01.00" },
711 { 0xb6760881 , 0x10000, "OVERDUMP Tandy 1000 1.01.00" },
712 { 0x7cde748a , 0x4000, "Tandy 1000ex/sx 1.02.00" },
715 { 0x9b34765c , 0x8000, "Tandy 1000tx 1.03.00" }, /* most likely 2 16kbyte chips */
716 { 0xf607533b , 0x10000, "OVERDUMP Tandy 1000 1.03.00 (last 32kbyte)" },


I've checked the following.
They must be bad or incomplete dump.

732 { 0x11cb1983, 0x10000, "UNUSEABLE PART TANDY 1000 RLX
733 { 0xf518ab17 , 0x10000, "INCOMPLETE Tandy1td? (DAC) (2.00.00)" },
734 { 0xe288f12c , 0x10000, "INCOMPLETE Tandy 1000TL/2? (2.00.00)" },


Where did you find this rom.h (roms.h)? This file was removed from MESS years ago, so you must be looking at a very old and out of date version of MESS.
Posted By: Dr.Venom

Re: New dumps - 03/09/13 02:21 PM

Originally Posted By A. Viloria
I have spent some time in the past 3-4 weeks looking at the MAME/MESS code, and I have submited some 'savestate' code to RB... I know I am far away from having a global view of the architecture on my mind... but I know there are too many things in the TODO-list, and I think that I could help on basics, and step-by-step getting into the architecture


Hi A. Viloria,

I saw your post about MSX on RetroMadrid in the shoutbox. Just out of interest, is MSX by any chance on your mind when it comes to getting to know the architecture / drivers?

There are still so many things to be done, that a knowledgable dev/maintainer for this system (next to Judge) would be more than welcome.


P.S. That was my shameless plug for the MSX driver smile
Posted By: A. Viloria

Re: New dumps - 03/09/13 03:33 PM

Hi Dr. Venom,

MSX was one of my first home computers (an Amstrad CPC6128 was the other one)... When I was 8, I learn by myself to program that BASIC and CPM using the long-long codes form the computer manual and those incredibles magazines... and yes, I feel some kind of "homesickness" when I see that stuff again...

RetroMadrid will celebrate the 30th anivesary of MSX, and I hope to be there... Take into account that Spanish titles for MSX were really famous in those years... like a "golden age" for spanish game developers...

About MESS MSX drivers, I have sent some PM's to Judge, and first at all I'm getting information about all the diferent systems and trying to get a greater understanding about the architecture... I hope to bring you better news soon wink
Posted By: Dr.Venom

Re: New dumps - 03/10/13 09:28 AM

Great to see that you've been a long time MSX user and that you're getting on board of the mame/mess dev team! smile

Definitely a lot of great MSX stuff has come from Spain. Even today, I'm quite excited about the just released MegaFlashROM SCC+ SD (video here) by Manuel Pazos. (Maybe it was already on sale on RetroMadrid?)

In any case, great that you've been in contact with Judge. I'll be waiting for the better news wink
Posted By: Dr.Venom

Re: New dumps - 03/11/13 11:24 PM

Hi A. Viloria,

As an additional note about information about MSX, just in case you hadn't seen it yet. It's the MSX Assembly Page: Resources site.

It contains an incredible wealth of information on all the MSX chips, including -high quality- pdf scans of manuals for Z80, Yamaha MSX1/2 videochips, Yamaha MSX-Music, MSX-Audio, and many more. Maybe it's useful someday.

P.S. I've just been testing this MSX1 demo in MESS, pushing some of the MSX1 limits, and it's working 100% laugh. The homepage here contains more great demos / downloads.
Posted By: A. Viloria

Re: New dumps - 03/11/13 11:52 PM

I had the link for the MSX Assembly Page, but not the demo's one. Thank you for the info. wink
Posted By: Dr.Venom

Re: New dumps - 03/12/13 12:29 AM

OK, my pleasure smile
Posted By: ICEknight

Re: New dumps - 03/18/13 06:26 PM

In case they're still not documented, new dump sightings:

MD ToeJam & Earl 2 prototype: http://forums.sonicretro.org/index.php?showtopic=30836&st=0
SNES Street Fighter II Turbo (v1.1): http://forum.retrode.org/index.php/topic,63.msg479.html#msg479
Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 04/23/13 08:27 PM

Just stumbled upon this:

http://archive.org/details/mach2p-schematics
http://luck.linux.or.jp/~shimsoft/boyaki/mach2p.html
http://www.geocities.jp/siliconvalley3115/info/data/mkha2p.html

might be interesting for SCSI in X68000...

(amazing what you can find by just browsing through archive.org smile )

also this but this is probably already known...

--Darkstar
Posted By: Anna Wu

Re: New dumps - 04/24/13 05:35 AM

Originally Posted By Darkstar
Just stumbled upon this:

http://archive.org/details/mach2p-schematics
http://luck.linux.or.jp/~shimsoft/boyaki/mach2p.html
http://www.geocities.jp/siliconvalley3115/info/data/mkha2p.html

might be interesting for SCSI in X68000...

(amazing what you can find by just browsing through archive.org smile )

also this but this is probably already known...

--Darkstar


We have already the ROM dumps for the Mach-2/Mach2P SCSI-2 Host Adapter Boards (rev. 6415/6416) smile
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 04/24/13 12:11 PM

And no emulation of the chip that uses.
Posted By: Justin

Re: New dumps - 04/24/13 03:22 PM

If you check the uploader on those archive.org items you might find a familiar name wink
Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 04/24/13 03:24 PM

Datasheets are available here and here for example (56 pages for the MB86604A and >250 pages for the probably closely related MB86604ACF)

I know that doesn't magically make the chip emulated but now it's here for future reference

--Darkstar
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 04/24/13 03:49 PM

Takao Nakamura is a familiar name? smile
Posted By: Kaylee

Re: New dumps - 04/24/13 03:57 PM

Originally Posted By R. Belmont
Takao Nakamura is a familiar name? smile
no grin (hehe)
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 04/28/13 06:16 PM

Some ancient peripherals for the Apple world here:

Appletalk-Ethernet bridge Cayman GatorBox CS

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55419307/GatorBox%20CS.rar

Appletalk-Ethernet bridge Kinetics (Shiva) Fastpath 4

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55419307/Fastpath%204.rar

SCSI-Ethernet bridge Nuvolink SC

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55419307/NuvoLink%20SC.rar

And this is a real treasure trove of drivers for old hardware:

http://www.toddp.com/classic/Software%20Install/Peripheral%20Support%20Drivers/

Robert
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 04/28/13 06:57 PM

Huh. Looks like no ROM dumps from any of them though?

The Nuvolink in particular is kind of hilarious because it's yet another DP8390/NE2000, except this time over SCSI.
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 04/28/13 07:48 PM

I knew there was something I had forgotten smile


Archives are updated.


Robert
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 04/28/13 09:44 PM

Great, thanks!

A few clarifications on chips that are hard to read:

- FastPath: what's the big Intel? chip nearish the BNC port?
- NuvoLink has an Intel CPU I can't quite make out. 80C186 or 80C188?

Also, on the GatorBox, there's an EEPROM and an Intel flash chip for settings which may or may not be important to have dumped. Unfortunately both soldered down from the looks of things.
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 04/29/13 06:22 AM

Hi R.B.

FastPath: The Intel chip is a P82586-10, SZ004, L9371057 (c) 1982

NuvoLink: N80C188, L0480706, (c) 1978

GatorBox:

This is a picture of the memory section

There is also a jumper that reads "PROM_WREN".

Robert
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 05/01/13 01:18 PM

This is the dump of a disk controller for the Apple II that allows it to use regular Shugart style drives:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55419307/Erphi%20AFDC2-1.rar

This site has more about similar hardware:

http://www.harrowalsh.de/Elektronik/APPLEBOX/appleboxdownload.htm

Robert
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 05/01/13 01:32 PM

Neat site, thanks Robert!
Posted By: Anna Wu

Re: New dumps - 07/06/13 02:32 PM

Originally Posted By Anna Wu
Originally Posted By 342234
I have dumped PC-6001 CGROM from M5C6847-1.
But MESS seems not to accept this ROM.
It is used as CGROM60S.60 on other PC-6001 emulator.
(PC-6001V / PC-6001VW)
I think MC6847 of MESS font is not same as PC-6001's.
So separate rom is needed.



Ill contact Bernie to check our used ROMs.
Are you the person which makes a posting on his BBS?


Oki, the "cgrom60s.60" generated by PC6001VW is a fake.
I got the dump from the real PC-6001.

1024 bytes
CRC: 332ea3ba
SHA1: 4c5d5d465b8f09e69326e2af2050ab5193eed49b
Posted By: Stiletto

Re: New dumps - 07/31/13 05:04 PM

Originally Posted By Stiletto
Originally Posted By Darkstar
(couldn't find anything for the SC11046CN though)


Only seems to exist at Partminer. I do not have a way to obtain these at the moment.


Bump! From the first post in this thread: just wanted to note that I have this datasheet now. smile
Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 09/21/13 09:00 PM

I just found this gem in the attic, I don't think it's dumped yet:



It's a CBM serial <-> Centronics printer adapter.

I couldn't find any info about the chip, I guess it's an MCU. Anyone know how to dump it, if that's even possible?

Manual (German, by someone else) is here

-Darkstar
Posted By: Vas Crabb

Re: New dumps - 09/22/13 12:39 AM

It'd help if the numbers on the chip were legible...
Posted By: seanriddle

Re: New dumps - 09/22/13 04:58 AM

Originally Posted By Darkstar
I just found this gem in the attic, I don't think it's dumped yet:

It's a CBM serial <-> Centronics printer adapter.

I couldn't find any info about the chip, I guess it's an MCU. Anyone know how to dump it, if that's even possible?

Manual (German, by someone else) is here

-Darkstar

Maybe 8051? You could examine the wiring and see if it's consistent with the 8051 pinout.

It looks like you can dump the 8051 ROM with a compatible programmer, if the security bit isn't set. If it is, there's a pin that disables the internal ROM, and you might be able to put a program in an external ROM that enables the internal ROM and then dumps it.

Worst case, I've been decapping some 8051s for practice, and the ROM could be visually dumped with a lot of work. But that is destructive.
Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 09/22/13 05:02 AM

Yeah, sorry, I could read them because I know what's written on the chip. Obviously that's not true for other folks, so here are the numbers:

3143
(C)89 W&T
9266
(C) Intel 1989

The sticker says:

W&T 11-1990
-------> WE
SL 7980509
Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 10/10/13 10:41 PM

In case anyone is interested:

Genius/KYE Mouse Driver v9.06 (including API docs) + some programs:
- Genius Menu Maker (on the driver disk)
- DrGenius (cute little paint program, 3 disks)
- CasCAD (CAD program with a rather ... "complicated" UI)

Dumped from original floppies (5x 5,25" DD). Includes KryoFlux stream files, so the download is rather large (~160mb). Feel free to add it to any DATs/Softlists and/or convert to any other format.

DrGenius might be useful for graphics emulation testing/development, it supports many old graphics cards (Hercules, Paradise, AT&T, ...). Just copy all disks into one direcotry and run setup.exe to configure.

Download here

-Darkstar
Posted By: robcfg

Re: New dumps - 10/11/13 08:12 AM

Oh, the memories!

I bought a Genius mouse in Germany when there were close to none in Spain and it had the Dr.Genius drawing program, which I used a lot.

Thank you very much!
Posted By: ICEknight

Re: New dumps - 10/14/13 01:55 PM

Two new Japanese SEGA Channel cartridges have been dumped. Both seem to include a different revision, even though their headers says otherwise (which, to my knowledge, also happened with certain Mega CD BIOSes, so it shouldn't be that surprising):

http://forums.sonicretro.org/index.php?showtopic=25935&view=findpost&p=764315
Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 10/24/13 11:33 AM

Not a dump, but a datasheet:

S3 86C928 datasheet (used in PC9821 for example): http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/s3/

Edit: I could upload it to the Wiki, but where do I apply for an account?
Posted By: Stiletto

Re: New dumps - 10/24/13 05:37 PM

Originally Posted By Darkstar
Not a dump, but a datasheet:

S3 86C928 datasheet (used in PC9821 for example): http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/s3/


I'm on it, thanks for the head's up. Haven't had much time for lurking Bitsavers' whatsnew lately.

Originally Posted By Darkstar
Edit: I could upload it to the Wiki, but where do I apply for an account?


I think all you need to do is contact Duke. Although if he answers at the speed he's answered my wiki support questions, it may be a few weeks/months. wink

Anyhow it's there now: http://mess.org/datasheets/s3

FYI: We've a LOT more datasheets than what's on the wiki.
Posted By: Malice

Re: New dumps - 03/19/14 10:34 AM

Diamond Viper V330 PCI 8MB bios v1.82b [nVidia Riva 128]
http://www.sendspace.com/file/w10ope



Diamond Stealth II G460 AGP bios v1.16 [Intel i740]
http://www.sendspace.com/file/to0isk


Posted By: Malice

Re: New dumps - 03/19/14 05:32 PM

Graphics Blaster Riva TNT 16MB AGP bios v2.04.6.18 [nVidia Riva TNT]
http://www.sendspace.com/file/z5lwr0


Posted By: Malice

Re: New dumps - 03/22/14 03:28 PM

Alternate S3 Trio64 2MB PCI BIOS [S3 86c764]

http://www.sendspace.com/file/4bqd2n
Posted By: Malice

Re: New dumps - 03/24/14 11:19 PM

Diamond Viper V550 PCI 16MB bios v1.93e [nVidia Riva TNT]
http://www.sendspace.com/file/j8jlfb

Dumped the rom from a working card with Diamond Multimedia flash utility it's interesting they don't pad the end of the rom so it's an odd length.
Posted By: ibmxt

Re: New dumps (PC-6001VDG / cgrom60s.60) - 03/31/14 08:02 AM

>Oki, the "cgrom60s.60" generated by PC6001VW is a fake.
>I got the dump from the real PC-6001.

>1024 bytes
>CRC: 332ea3ba
>SHA1: 4c5d5d465b8f09e69326e2af2050ab5193eed49b


Unfortunately, it is Not dumped from original M5C6847P-1.

Size 1024 bytes must be over dumped or bad.
Original size of character ROM (MC6847 / M5C6847P-1) must be 512 bytes. (Refer Datasheet)
Also I have original dumped ROM from MC6847 chipset.
File size is just 512 bytes. (This size is correct.)

I've heard this rom is from PC-6001VW author (Bernie).

He only hand-made rom file from PC-6001 screen, not dumped from original VDG chipset.

If doubt, I can compare it with mine.
Posted By: Anna Wu

Re: New dumps (PC-6001VDG / cgrom60s.60) - 03/31/14 09:51 AM

The "cgrom60s.60" ROM is not added yet (MESS) ; )
Posted By: Curt Coder

Re: New dumps (PC-6001VDG / cgrom60s.60) - 03/31/14 08:14 PM

Originally Posted By Anna Wu
The "cgrom60s.60" ROM is not added yet (MESS) ; )


And never will be unless it is sent to a messdev wink
Posted By: Anna Wu

Re: New dumps (PC-6001VDG / cgrom60s.60) - 04/01/14 03:34 AM

Originally Posted By Curt Coder
Originally Posted By Anna Wu
The "cgrom60s.60" ROM is not added yet (MESS) ; )


And never will be unless it is sent to a messdev wink


It is now on the FTP Server.
The old and the new one.
Thanks goes to ibmxt. smile
Posted By: Malice

Re: New dumps - 04/26/14 12:56 AM

Diamond Stealth 3D 2000 Pro 4MB BIOS v3.04 [S3 Virge DX]
http://www.sendspace.com/file/coisna



Ran S3ID on real card most registers match MESS but some differ:

S3 Chip Identify Utility Version 1.00.08

Related CR register information:
CR2D = 0x8A CR2E = 0x01 CR2F = 0x01 CR30 = 0xE1 CR36 = 0x12 CR5E = 0x00
CR68 = 0xFF CR6F = 0x0A CR72 = 0x00 CR73 = 0x00 CR92 = 0x00 CRB0 = 0x00

S3 Video Chip: ViRGE DX (375)
Display Memory Size: 4M
Display Memory Type: 1-Cycle EDO DRAM

Posted By: Anna Wu

Re: New dumps - 04/29/14 03:34 PM

Thanks goes to Zanny for the first bunch of ROMs (Samsung SPC-1xxx series) smile

He wrote following:

Quote:
MC6847.ROM from MC6847P AN/NTSC - byte type(512byte), not dot type dump(320byte), same as SPCH07.ROM

SPC1000$7C4E.ROM is romset for SPC-1000/1100 old version (8KB 27C64 x 4)
$0000~$1FFF : ROM0 (0042SS0, 9864C maskrom)
$2000~$3FFF : ROM1 (0042SS1, 9864C maskrom)
$4000~$5FFF : ROM2 (0042SS2, 9864C maskrom)
$6000~$7FFF : ROM3 (EPROM)
SPC10U06.ROM is ROM3 (EPROM) from SPC-1000A, same as some new version PCB of SPC-1000/1100
spcall.rom include ROM2 (EPROM), but it is not fake and bad dump. it just mistake programming by samsung at 1983
ROM0~ROM3 1013SS0~1013SS2 is not dumped yet. I'll try dump at spare time.
SPC1000$7C9D.ROM is romset for SPC-1000/1100 new version (8KB 27C64 x 4) same as spcall.rom


Posted By: Anna Wu

Re: New dumps - 04/29/14 06:03 PM

http://www.mess.org/dumping/have

Quote:
6 Epoch Cassette Vision carts on loan to Guru: Baseball, Monster Mansion, Battle Vader, Yosaku, Monster Block, and Galaxian
5 more Epoch Cassette Vision carts: Astro Command, New Baseball, Big Sports 12, Elevator Action, and Pakpak Monster


Are the cartridges in the meantime dumped or not?

The Epoch Cassette Vision console has no BIOS and CPU. CPU and ROM are on cartridge side.
I guess, to make a driver we need technical infos (schematic, circuit diagram, etc.) about the console/cartridge and of course the dumps.
Posted By: ssj

Re: New dumps - 04/29/14 10:23 PM

No they aren't, don't think anyone managed to dump them yet. Besides the problem with the CPU being on the actual carts.
Posted By: ranger_lennier

Re: New dumps - 04/30/14 09:28 AM

The carts use a PD7801G microcontroller, which to my knowledge has never been dumped. I'd guess decapping would be our best bet, but even then it might be difficult to figure out how the ROM data is organized.
Posted By: Anna Wu

Re: New dumps - 04/30/14 09:57 AM

Thanks for the info. So it is a mission "impossible" at moment.
Posted By: Shideravan

Re: New dumps - 04/30/14 11:45 AM

There's any decapping project for MAME/MESS/UME happening right now?
The last one that I had any news was that created by Guru, but I think that was been freezed...
Posted By: F1ReB4LL

Re: New dumps - 04/30/14 01:04 PM

Originally Posted By Shideravan
There's any decapping project for MAME/MESS/UME happening right now?
The last one that I had any news was that created by Guru, but I think that was been freezed...

It was Dr. Decapitator, Guru only passed him the chips.
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 04/30/14 01:09 PM

There's been other recapping going on (I trust everyone here saw the recent Microvision work), but not on that scale.
Posted By: plgDavid

Re: New dumps - 04/30/14 03:43 PM

Originally Posted By ranger_lennier
The carts use a PD7801G microcontroller, which to my knowledge has never been dumped. I'd guess decapping would be our best bet, but even then it might be difficult to figure out how the ROM data is organized.


they are uPD777's with different mask roms.
See http://d.hatena.ne.jp/redeel/20090508/1241808117

I have a few, and made video recordings, just need to edit a bit and i could show what I have. Also started to trace a CassetteVision JR console, at least for the main signals to fro the cart.
Posted By: Anna Wu

Re: New dumps - 04/30/14 04:25 PM

This guy is thinking a dump is impossible.
http://meganekun.blogspot.de/2012/03/blog-post.html
Posted By: plgDavid

Re: New dumps - 04/30/14 04:37 PM

Originally Posted By Anna Wu
This guy is thinking a dump is impossible.
http://meganekun.blogspot.de/2012/03/blog-post.html


If i trust what I've translated, I already know more about it (since i traced signals)
Posted By: ssj

Re: New dumps - 04/30/14 04:44 PM

Would definitely be nice to see some progress on this system that's for sure.
Posted By: Anna Wu

Re: New dumps - 04/30/14 04:46 PM

@plgDavid

He is trying to make a Cassette Vision Universal board.

http://meganekun.blogspot.de/2013/03/2.html
http://meganekun.blogspot.de/2012/11/blog-post.html
http://meganekun.blogspot.de/2012/03/3.html

from this section: http://tinyurl.com/oqczcmg
Posted By: plgDavid

Re: New dumps - 04/30/14 05:01 PM

Ah much better.
I roughly had notes such as the pinouts:
http://meganekun.blogspot.de/2012/03/3.html

But I didn't figure the B-Y and or the transformation between the many vid signals coming straight from the cart pins and RGB yet.
If he does publish a schem of this VIDEO, B-Y, (CR-RE) and R-Y to RGB i would gladly make one smile.
Posted By: Anna Wu

Re: New dumps - 04/30/14 05:06 PM

I have contacted him and asked about the progress of the Cassette Vision Universal board.
Maybe he replies.
Posted By: Anna Wu

Re: New dumps - 04/30/14 06:42 PM

Another webpage: http://home.att.ne.jp/iota/gena/cv/cv.htm
Posted By: Malice

Re: New dumps - 05/06/14 12:46 AM

Diamond Stealth 64 DRAM 2MB PCI BIOS v2.09 [S3 Trio 64]
http://www.sendspace.com/file/mg1yhn



S3ID ran on real card
----------------------------------------
S3 Chip Identify Utility Version 1.00.08

Related CR register information:
CR2D = 0x88 CR2E = 0x11 CR2F = 0x20 CR30 = 0xE1 CR36 = 0x8A CR5E = 0x00
CR68 = 0xFC CR6F = 0x8A CR72 = 0x8A CR73 = 0x8A CR92 = 0x8F CRB0 = 0xE1

S3 Video Chip: Trio 64 (764)
Display Memory Size: 2M
Display Memory Type: 2-Cycle EDO DRAM


S3ID ran again with add-on ram removed.
----------------------------------------
S3 Chip Identify Utility Version 1.00.08

Related CR register information:
CR2D = 0x88 CR2E = 0x11 CR2F = 0x20 CR30 = 0xE1 CR36 = 0xCA CR5E = 0x00
CR68 = 0xFC CR6F = 0xCA CR72 = 0xCA CR73 = 0xCA CR92 = 0x8F CRB0 = 0xE1

S3 Video Chip: Trio 64 (764)
Display Memory Size: 1M
Display Memory Type: 2-Cycle EDO DRAM

Posted By: Javier Donoso

Re: New dumps - 05/11/14 08:16 PM

The IBM PGC ROMs are finally here!
Posted By: shattered

Re: New dumps - 05/12/14 06:47 AM

Please do the needful and write a driver soon :-)
Posted By: Stiletto

Re: New dumps - 05/14/14 07:39 AM

Originally Posted By Javier Donoso
The IBM PGC ROMs are finally here!


In case anyone was wondering... one ROM in this package was not dumped to MESS standards and instead was recreated this way:
http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/...40x400%29/page3
Posted By: ibmxt

Re: New dumps - 05/14/14 08:33 AM

Originally Posted By Stiletto
Originally Posted By Javier Donoso
The IBM PGC ROMs are finally here!


In case anyone was wondering... one ROM in this package was not dumped to MESS standards and instead was recreated this way:
http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/...40x400%29/page3


I agree with you.
This rom must not be accepted to MESS ROM.
Because it is Not dumped from original ROM chip directly.
It is only made by hand.
In other words, it is not verified with original ROM chip content.
Posted By: judge

Re: New dumps - 05/14/14 11:41 AM

Or added but marked as a bad_dump with a comment where it came from and that it needs to be redumped/verified.
Something is better than nothing wink
Posted By: Stiletto

Re: New dumps - 05/14/14 02:46 PM

Originally Posted By judge
Or added but marked as a bad_dump with a comment where it came from and that it needs to be redumped/verified.
Something is better than nothing wink


The rest of the PGC roms come from "per" on VCF and are archived here:
http://www.minuszerodegrees.net/rom/rom.htm

What I'm saying is: don't credit him. wink
Posted By: John Elliott

Re: New dumps - 05/15/14 12:40 PM

Originally Posted By Stiletto
In case anyone was wondering... one ROM in this package was not dumped to MESS standards and instead was recreated this way:
http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/...40x400%29/page3


What's curious is that I did that reconstruction in March 2013, so I'm not sure why it's suddenly shown up here as a new thing. Unless someone has actually dumped that ROM recently and by a tremendous coincidence it's byte-for-byte identical to the reconstruction.
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 05/15/14 12:52 PM

Because Javier Donoso, John smile
Posted By: ibmxt

Re: New dumps - 05/15/14 02:54 PM

Originally Posted By John Elliott
Originally Posted By Stiletto
In case anyone was wondering... one ROM in this package was not dumped to MESS standards and instead was recreated this way:
http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/...40x400%29/page3


What's curious is that I did that reconstruction in March 2013, so I'm not sure why it's suddenly shown up here as a new thing. Unless someone has actually dumped that ROM recently and by a tremendous coincidence it's byte-for-byte identical to the reconstruction.



That's right.

IBM PGC Font is made with Bitmap Font Editor thanks to John Elliott.
But Javier Donoso (5247846) attached it here without credit.

Posted By: John Elliott

Re: New dumps - 05/15/14 11:46 PM

While I'm here...

The Wyse700 graphics card has two ROMs for the font (dumped and in MESS) and an MC68705P3 microcontroller. I don't have facilities to read the 68705, but if there's someone here who can, I can send them the physical chip.
Posted By: Lord Nightmare

Re: New dumps - 05/16/14 11:14 PM

I can! Whether it has protection enabled or not, my programmer (BP-1200) WON'T EVEN NOTICE, because the 68705p3 has a backdoor that you could drive a truck through, a debug mode of sorts, which is exactly how the BP dumps it.

The 68705P5 fixed that security hole and is a huge pain in the ass to dump.
Posted By: Malice

Re: New dumps - 05/27/14 11:49 PM

STB Lightspeed 128 PCI 2MB BIOS V1.1 [Tseng Labs ET6000]
http://www.sendspace.com/file/bx2hdv


Seems to be an early bios compared to the other ET6000 bios's. Doesn't display the max supported memory in MESS like the other bios sets do. Does have one neat feature it detects PNP DDC monitor at post. it displays the following message when detected:

DDC Plug & Play Monitor Detected
Posted By: Malice

Re: New dumps - 05/28/14 09:51 AM

Addition note on the STB Lightspeed 128 PCI BIOS most of the 256 color lo-res VESA modes are broken they only show a black screen when tested on real hardware.
Posted By: Gilles Ftis

Re: New dumps (PC-6001VDG / cgrom60s.60) - 05/31/14 09:37 PM

exelvision exl100 rom was not correct (charset is scrambled):

here's the correct one :
http://www.alternative-system.com/specific/imgs/exl100_7041.bin
Posted By: ibmxt

Re: New dumps - 06/10/14 04:23 PM

Originally Posted By judge
Or added but marked as a bad_dump with a comment where it came from and that it needs to be redumped/verified.
Something is better than nothing wink


Well, I don't think so.
If not, many of bad (broken) or fake and unverified BIOS are increased.
It must be more bad than nothing.
Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 06/13/14 05:53 PM

Not mine, and probably not new, but interesting nevertheless:

Various PC BIOS ROMs and ROMs for add-on cards here

Tons of manuals (some rare gems in there): here

Main page here (if you haven't figured it out yet ;-)
Posted By: Malice

Re: New dumps - 07/18/14 01:34 AM

Super Snapshot v5 cartridge for c64. Hand written label on eprom is 2C.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/eo0geu

I don't know if this version had been dumped yet.
Posted By: Malice

Re: New dumps - 07/27/14 12:19 AM

mb-1320/25c-b.5 AMD 386sx 25mhz motherboard BIOS.
https://www.sendspace.com/file/iiaamf



Full size top image
http://imgur.com/AF05Gsb
Full size bottom image
http://imgur.com/lQARUaK
Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 07/27/14 07:39 AM

Gough Lui has dumped the EPROMs for two older SCSI HDDs (Fujitsu M2266SA) here. Downloads are in the comments. He has pretty good pictures of the PCBs here.
The HDD apparently runs on a 80196 (MCS-96) microcontroller. Maybe it's time to start emulating HDDs at a lower level? ;-)
Posted By: Al Kossow

Re: New dumps - 07/27/14 03:21 PM

Originally Posted By Darkstar

The HDD apparently runs on a 80196 (MCS-96) microcontroller. Maybe it's time to start emulating HDDs at a lower level? ;-)


That would be about as much fun as bashing your head with a hammer. Every vendor was a LITTLE different, and documentation is pretty much impossible to find on how the logic worked. This is all part of what makes low-level data recovery a black art.

Someone looking in wonder at a 1GB early 90s 5" SCSI drive makes me feel old.
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 07/27/14 03:28 PM

Originally Posted By Al Kossow

Someone looking in wonder at a 1GB early 90s 5" SCSI drive makes me feel old.


Some time in the 90s I got one of them for next to nothing out of the trash bin in a computer hardware shop, and Fujitsu replaced it under warranty smile
Starting it up resembled a helicopter spinning up, and I'm sure the local power station had to go to 11 to accomodate its requirements smile
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 07/27/14 03:30 PM

I still have the 52 meg Quantum ProDrive I bought in 1992 for my IIgs, and it still works smile
Posted By: Jarvik7

Re: New dumps - 07/28/14 01:14 AM

I still have the enormous 10mb external hd drive for my luggable IBM PC clone. (working)

http://oldcomputers.net/compaqi.html

How low can you go? laugh
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 07/28/14 01:19 AM

Al Kossow will always win that sort of a contest smile
Posted By: Vas Crabb

Re: New dumps - 07/28/14 01:34 AM

I have two working Micropolis 500MB 3.5" SCSI drives that still work, although they sound like an air conditioner when you spin them up. I remember in the late '90s these drives were already old, but when I raced one against a brand new Seagate 2GB Ultra ATA drive, it still had far better random read/write performance (it lost in sequential read/write though).
Posted By: Al Kossow

Re: New dumps - 07/28/14 02:35 AM

Originally Posted By Jarvik7

How low can you go? laugh


http://www.digibarn.com/stories/bill-pentz-story/images/diablo-model33.jpg

2.5mb
I regularly use these to recover packs
Drive is circa. 1972
Posted By: Robbbert

Re: New dumps - 07/28/14 02:46 AM

I have quite a few 20mb, 40mb, and other small-sized hard drives and afaik they still all work. It's harder to find a computer that will accept them!
Posted By: Dullaron

Re: New dumps - 07/28/14 03:53 AM

I didn't know there is a Diablo hardware. I see scanlines. Must been taken a picture. smile
Posted By: Jarvik7

Re: New dumps - 07/28/14 04:31 AM

Looks like a toaster oven.
Posted By: Vas Crabb

Re: New dumps - 07/28/14 05:55 AM

And my 160MB 3.5" Quantum ProDrive CTS SCSI still works perfectly, too!
Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 07/29/14 08:50 AM

Originally Posted By Al Kossow
Originally Posted By Darkstar
Maybe it's time to start emulating HDDs at a lower level? ;-)


That would be about as much fun as bashing your head with a hammer. Every vendor was a LITTLE different, and documentation is pretty much impossible to find on how the logic worked. This is all part of what makes low-level data recovery a black art.

I agree, you probably don't want to do this for every hard disk out there. But having one particular hard disk model emulated on such a low level could actually be helpful. It could help finding bugs in the SCSI layer, for example.

But it's probably too much work for too little gain...
Posted By: Anna Wu

Re: New dumps - 07/29/14 08:52 AM

Originally Posted By Al Kossow
Originally Posted By Jarvik7

How low can you go? laugh


http://www.digibarn.com/stories/bill-pentz-story/images/diablo-model33.jpg

2.5mb
I regularly use these to recover packs
Drive is circa. 1972


This I call "RETRO" smile
Posted By: Al Kossow

Re: New dumps - 07/29/14 05:18 PM

Originally Posted By Darkstar
But having one particular hard disk model emulated on such a low level could actually be helpful. It could help finding bugs in the SCSI layer, for example.


Most drives back then had a separate processor for the intelligent interface. I agree that it would be great to get this all documented, but it would be a lot of work. You would also want to do this for tapes, and CD's and MO's and ...
Posted By: Jarvik7

Re: New dumps - 07/30/14 01:24 AM

We need accurate failure & data corruption rate emulation (eg. Maxtor)
Posted By: ICEknight

Re: New dumps - 07/31/14 05:08 AM

Originally Posted By Al Kossow
Originally Posted By Darkstar
But having one particular hard disk model emulated on such a low level could actually be helpful. It could help finding bugs in the SCSI layer, for example.


Most drives back then had a separate processor for the intelligent interface. I agree that it would be great to get this all documented, but it would be a lot of work. You would also want to do this for tapes, and CD's and MO's and ...
And I don't see why not, it's not like he's asking you to emulate those or anything... =P

If somebody wants to go ahead and add support for them, I'm sure it will be welcomed.
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 09/06/14 10:29 PM

I've dumped some more PC cards, mostly VGA ...

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55419307/ISA%20and%20PCI.rar

The numbers continue from my post earlier in this thread.

#16 Dawicontrol DC-100 RAID: PCI ATA/IDE Raid Controller

#17 ASC46SLC: Complete Mainboard on a 16bit ISA card ... TI 486SLC/E processor at 33MHz, ALI M1217-40 chipset, Floppy, IDE, Parallel, 2xSerial, PS/2 Keyboard, Beeeper

#18 Octek 800: 8bit ISA VGA/EGA Graphics Card with UM70C171 and OAK OT1037C Video chips and 8xHY53C464LS = 256KB Video RAM

#19 M-V Virge-4S3: PCI VGA Graphics card with S3 Virge OnBoard 86C325 Video Chip and 8xN5116258HK45 =

#20 9503-62: PCI VGA Graphics card with S3 Trio64V2/DX 86C775 Video Chip and 4xV53C162558HK45 = High Performance 256K X 16 Edo Page Mode CMOS DRAM = 2MB Video RAM

#21 ATI PCI Mach 64 V1: PCI VGA Graphics Card with ATI-264VT2 Video Chip and 4 x KM416C254BJ-6 Video RAM = 256K x 16 = 2MB Video RAM

#22 Daytona VGA P846 Rev A: PCI VGA Graphics card with SIS 6326 AGP Video Chip and 2xD1616AB-7 =

#23 Elsa Winner 1000/T2D: PCI VGA Graphics Card with S3 Trio V2/DX and 4 x v53c16258hk40 = 256Kx16 = 2MB Video RAM

#24 Miro Video 12PD-PCI: PCI VGA Graphics Card with ATT20C408-13 Precision DAC and Alliance Semiconductor ProMotion 3210 Video Chips and 2x TC514260BJ-70 = 262144 Wordx16bit = 1MB Video RAM with 2 empty sockets provided

#25 Spea/Video 7 Mercury: PCI VGA Graphics Card with Bt485KPJ135 and S3 86C928E Video Chips and 8 x KM428C256J-6 Video RAM = 256KB x 8 = 2MB Video RAM

#26 MVA-CL5434: VLB VGA Graphics Card with Cirrus Logic CL-GD5434-HC-D Video Chip and 2 x Z45160 Video RAM with sockets for 2 more




Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 09/06/14 10:30 PM

I need some help with these two:

#27 TARGA WIN+: ISA VGA Graphics card with Tseng ET4000AX Graphics Chip and 2 x 262,144 words by 16 bits dynamic CMOS RAM = 1MB Video RAM. There is soldered chip near the socketed BIOS that has the print "VGA 4000 BIOS Version 1.10 C4FA"

#28 Diamond Speedstar: ISA VGA Graphics card with Tseng ET4000AX Graphics Chip and 1MB Video RAM. There is a socketed chip labeled iMP9208 WYF X-ROM to the right of the two BIOS ICs ... can I read that safely as a an EPROM (e.g. 27C256)?

Robert
Posted By: mahlemiut

Re: New dumps - 09/07/14 02:37 AM

I notice that the Speedstar BIOS dump doesn't seem to match up - the high ROM repeats at 0x4000, but the low ROM does not, and presuming that they are odd/even byte ROMs, it doesn't seem to produce sane ROM code. I would be curious to know what that X-ROM contains if it can be dumped...

Edit: I think the high ROM might be correct, it starts with a 0x55, as the PC BIOS will check for ROMs by searching for 0x55AA. Unfortunately the low ROM does not start with 0xAA as you would expect. frown
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 09/07/14 08:08 AM

Thanks for adding the dumps ...

... short of doin' the Donoso: I'd love to see that Speedstar emulated.

What I find curious is that there is no clear text if you combine the h/l parts.

I'm supposed to have another of these, but I couldn't find it when I had a quick dekko yesterday.

Incidentally, the ET4000 BIOS from a card without the extra chip (#03 from my post #81246 in this thread) slots right into the existing ET4000 driver whereas both BIOSs from cards with an extra chip don't work (green lines with the TARGA, blank screen with the Speedstar).

Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 09/07/14 10:30 AM

Found two more ATI cards while hunting for the second Speedstar (didn't find it mad):

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55419307/ISA%20and%20PCI%20%2329-39.rar

One other card I'd love to have in MESS (but it's probably easier to just use a Soundblaster) is this guy

http://www.vogonswiki.com/index.php/Miro_Sound_PCM12

I have the older version with the additional CD-ROM-connectors that is described on that page. If someone has an idea how to dump the ROM/Wavetable ROM without desoldering, shoot me a message.
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 09/07/14 10:49 AM

A heat gun would work to get the wavetable ROM off that board, but you'd need SMT tools to get it back on pretty much (if that's a concern).
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 09/07/14 11:08 AM

Is there a way to dump it from DOS?
Posted By: Lord Nightmare

Re: New dumps - 09/07/14 02:02 PM

Since the rom lives between the opl4 and the mcu (I think), its contents are most likely not accessible from dos at all, unless there is some sort of dump/debug command the mcu can use.

I vote desolder it, or send it to guru or someone else who has a hot air rework station and can desolder it.

LN
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 09/07/14 02:11 PM

Do you really need to board back in working condition? If so, your only option is postage to Australia, as LN suggested.
Posted By: Malice

Re: New dumps - 09/07/14 02:20 PM

I could desolder it i've gotten a fair bit of practice on a heap of SB cards. A hot air rework station makes it easy.
Posted By: AWJ

Re: New dumps - 09/07/14 02:23 PM

Assuming the card allows CPU access to the OPL4 register space, it should be possible to read the wavetable ROM through the OPL4.
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 09/07/14 02:50 PM

It's not clear that it does, actually. A lot of 90s wavetable cards had the MCU (or the case of the Ensoniq cards, an on-board 68000) drive the wavetable.

There's a Linux driver for the card. It makes it look like there's an onboard MPU401 that you send MIDI to in order the play the wavetable synth, but there's also the usual 0x388 AdLib port so I'm not sure what's going on.
Posted By: Lord Nightmare

Re: New dumps - 09/07/14 04:58 PM

I have one of those 68000 based ensoniq cards (with the 'COW Chip' which is actually an 8052 mcu emulating an sbpro). i should send it to guru to dump the wt rom and the 68k rom... one of these days.

As soon as I find it.

LN
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 09/07/14 06:35 PM

The 68k program is uploaded by the driver on most of the Ensoniq cards, actually. But yeah, having Guru dump one would be cool.

Also incoming from Guru: the ROM for an HP LaserJet 6, circa 2002. It runs on a 133 MHz CPU32 microcontroller - someone needs to hook one of those up to an Amiga ;-)
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 09/07/14 08:25 PM

It may not be necessary to dump the wavetable ROM after all:

http://www.amoretro.de/2014/07/klangbeis...l#comment-23852

This page has a list of soundcards with an OPL4 claiming that they used a generic Yamaha YRW-801 2MB Soundfont ROM. That chip is definitely present on the Miro Sound PCM12 (bottom left on my photo). You can also hear examples of the Miro card's sound playback on that page.

The YRW-801 is dumped already:

http://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=39179

This page

http://www.mirosupport.de/sound/pcm12/pcm12.html

has the manual and drivers for the PCM12 smile
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 09/07/14 08:33 PM

Ahh, convenient. We just need the microcontroller(s) then smile
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 09/07/14 08:44 PM

Hmm ... OK ... I'll need to get another card of that type then ... I'd like to keep mine original.
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 09/13/14 09:32 AM

This Diamond Speedstar on Ebay

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Diamond-SpeedStar...C-/380630685007

has a different chip than mine as XROM,below the label you can read "2311T01" and "9118WO" ... does that give us any clues how I could read my XROM chip without destroying it?
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 10/02/14 05:55 PM

Siemens-Nixdorf built a lot of systems on these ISA format mainboards which plugged into a passive backplane.

http://songlcd.en.alibaba.com/product/18...main_board.html

The latest BIOS is still available on Fujitsu's support page and plays nicely with the at486 driver.

http://support.ts.fujitsu.com/download/Index.asp

Desktops => former models Desktops => PCD => PCD-4M
Posted By: hap

Re: New dumps - 10/05/14 08:07 PM

Is it possible to dump Simon? (no, not RB's husband, I mean the old electronic music memory game).
It has a TMS1000.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XqLG-ahNVuk/T2D1bxEK2FI/AAAAAAAABCI/MDT32WPvlSI/s1600/Simon.jpg
https://www.google.com/patents/US4207087...ved=0CB0Q6AEwAA

Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 10/05/14 09:14 PM

Already been done, AFAIK. I don't know who has the dump though.
Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 10/15/14 11:32 AM

Some new (old) documentation about the early Sun1 machines surfaced on bitsavers:

http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/IndexByDate.txt
http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/sun/sun1/
http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/stanford/sun/

(also for the Xerox Daybreak, which was a very nice machine for the time)
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 10/15/14 12:13 PM

That's awesome smile
Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 10/15/14 02:29 PM

I was hoping you would find it interesting smile

now if only similar documents would surface for the older SGI boxes as well (and Sun2/Sun3)...
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 10/15/14 02:46 PM

There's not-terrible Sun2 and Sun3 documentation already on Bitsavers - TME emulates both of those.
Posted By: Just Desserts

Re: New dumps - 10/15/14 03:01 PM

Originally Posted By Darkstar
now if only similar documents would surface for the older SGI boxes as well


Hahaha, like that is ever gonna happen.
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 10/15/14 03:12 PM

There *is* that source tree. Not that that helps with bootable install media.
Posted By: Just Desserts

Re: New dumps - 10/15/14 03:16 PM

It's not as useful as you might think. Other than information on a graphics pipe or two contained inside some of the oldest source archive, there's a painful amount of stuff missing. I've yet to be able to find any low-level information in the source files on much of the hardware past the 4D/PI era, there seems to be a lot of reliance on headers and other parts of the boot PROM for which there is no source. In particular, pretty much all of the boot PROM sources rely on other files to indicate how they talk to the hardware that we do not have, so they're practically useless in terms of even doing the initial bring-up of some of the boot PROMs.
Posted By: hap

Re: New dumps - 10/15/14 06:14 PM

Originally Posted By R. Belmont
Already been done, AFAIK. I don't know who has the dump though.

Anyone in the know? (this regards: Simon electronic music game)
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 10/15/14 06:52 PM

No idea. I'm sure I've heard Simon was dumped, but I don't remember any details.
Posted By: Al Kossow

Re: New dumps - 10/15/14 11:37 PM

Originally Posted By R. Belmont
No idea. I'm sure I've heard Simon was dumped, but I don't remember any details.


TMS1000's are weird. A friend of mine is trying to figure out the Big-Trak right now.
Posted By: Al Kossow

Re: New dumps - 10/15/14 11:39 PM

Originally Posted By R. Belmont
There *is* that source tree. Not that that helps with bootable install media.


IRIS 3.7 for the 3000? Are you looking for more 68K SGI info?

And, there is more 68K Sun docs around, I'm knee deep in my tape backups right now looking for 6085 software.
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 10/15/14 11:54 PM

JD would like more 68K SGI info. I have that stuff fairly far down my todo list ATM smile
Posted By: Just Desserts

Re: New dumps - 10/16/14 07:26 AM

Originally Posted By Al Kossow
Are you looking for more 68K SGI info?


I'm looking for more low-level info on any SGI machines, really. SGI were really piss-poor about documenting the hardware itself.
Posted By: Al Kossow

Re: New dumps - 10/16/14 02:21 PM

Originally Posted By Just Desserts
Originally Posted By Al Kossow
Are you looking for more 68K SGI info?


I'm looking for more low-level info on any SGI machines, really. SGI were really piss-poor about documenting the hardware itself.


I ran into an ex-SGI support guy at a party last night I hadn't seen in 15 years, I'll see what he has. I have disk dumps for the 3000-series that I had and I came across some microcode prom dumps from the frame buffer controller last week. I know I have schematics for a few more of the boards as well. My friends inside SGI working on kernel drivers complained back in the day that even internal documentation on the hardware wasn't very good.
Posted By: seanriddle

Re: New dumps - 10/17/14 06:13 AM

Since I had good luck decapping and visually dumping the MicroVision carts, I bought some TMS1x00-based games off ebay, including Simon, Merlin, Comp IV, Code Name: Sector, and Star Wars Electronic Battle Command. I also bought several TI calcs: SR-16, TI-5025, TI-30, TI-Programmer and Wiz-A-Tron. Some of those are TMS-1000, some TMS-1100, some are pre-TMS-1000 and some are post TMS-1100 but they are all very similar. Except for the MB4850 chip in Simon; it's a 16-pin DIP, and I just assumed they didn't bring out all the pins. But the die is completely different from the other TMS-1X00 variants; I can't even see an obvious ROM array! Here are some die shots: http://www.seanriddle.com/simon.jpg http://www.seanriddle.com/simonacid.jpg

Posted By: Olivier Galibert

Re: New dumps - 10/17/14 10:52 AM

Very nice little chip, very simulatable. Do you have higher res shots?

And yeah, there's definitively no rom in there.

OG.
Posted By: hap

Re: New dumps - 10/17/14 11:10 AM

Where else can it be? Another layer in that chip?
Simon rev engineered schematics here: http://www.waitingforfriday.com/index.php/Reverse_engineering_an_MB_Electronic_Simon_game

Note that Rev A did have a TMS1000, but that will be rare to find I think.
Posted By: Olivier Galibert

Re: New dumps - 10/17/14 01:14 PM

Originally Posted By hap
Where else can it be? Another layer in that chip?


There's no other layer. That's metal-gate nmos, fancy is not possible.

Maybe they just turned it into an ASIC. Could get better yields with something that simple.

OG.
Posted By: Stiletto

Re: New dumps - 10/17/14 02:06 PM

Hearing MAME's discrete core generate Simon's dulcet tones would be amazing! laugh
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 10/17/14 02:46 PM

Based on the schematic on the linked page it's not discrete, it's a PC speaker (speaker toggle) smile
Posted By: ICEknight

Re: New dumps - 10/17/14 05:19 PM

EDIT: Disregard this post, there's already a topic about it. :P
Posted By: seanriddle

Re: New dumps - 10/17/14 08:12 PM

OG- I uploaded 7900x7500 GIMP files: http://www.seanriddle.com/simon.xcf http://www.seanriddle.com/simonacid.xcf

I've also got the original pics that I composited (132 for each image, 12x11) if you need those, and I've still got the die so I could take more pics.

The die has about 70% of the area of a TMS-1100, so I guess that coupled with the huge number of units sold made the conversion from a TMS-1000-based game cost-effective?
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 10/17/14 08:18 PM

It's also fewer pins and probably a slightly smaller/simpler PCB. At that time and in the quantities they made these in any savings likely became huge very quickly.
Posted By: seanriddle

Re: New dumps - 10/18/14 06:30 PM

Simon (no kidding) on the WaitingForFriday website offered to send me the Rev A TMS1000 to decap and dump. The schematic in the patent shows the buttons and lights connected differently from the schematic he drew from the MB4850 PCB, so I asked him if his Rev A board wiring matches the patent.
Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 10/20/14 05:46 PM

Not from me, but I wonder if there's anyting useful or rare in there:
http://toastytech.com/files/ancientroms.html
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 10/25/14 06:27 PM

While researching mice for the DMV I came across this ... the Smaky smile

http://www.opac.ch/Smaky/downloads.html

Posted By: ranger_lennier

Re: New dumps - 10/26/14 06:00 AM

I noticed that MESS was recently updated with a software list and skeleton driver for the GameKing, a portable Chinese system. Does anyone know who dumped these, and how they were dumped? Are any of my carts needed? Those are: F1-2004 Racing, Trojan Legend, Penguin, Lanneret, Popper, Happy Ball, Feichuan, Duckman, Ares, 2004, Street Hero, Dino Adventure Legend, and Soldier.
Posted By: ssj

Re: New dumps - 10/26/14 06:48 AM

I believe it was Porchy, process was explained here:
http://www.jammarcade.net/dumping-gameking-cartridges/

I think Brian Provinciano had more games dumped back when he still had his site online, but he never made any of them public.

His site also has info about the cart reader he made:
http://web.archive.org/web/20071025153136/http://www.bripro.com/low/gameking/index.php?page=carts
http://web.archive.org/web/20071025063124/http://www.bripro.com/low/gameking/index.php?page=cartreader

F1-2004 Racing, Feichuan and Soldier are still undumped. As well as the 3 built-in games.

The softlist needs to be updated btw, the game Aries is actually called Ares.
Posted By: seanriddle

Re: New dumps - 10/29/14 05:55 AM

I got the Simon TMS-1000 and decapped it: http://www.seanriddle.com/simon_metal_full.jpg

Here's the ROM dump: http://www.seanriddle.com/simon.bin
Posted By: hap

Re: New dumps - 10/29/14 07:33 AM

That's great! smile
Posted By: Lord Nightmare

Re: New dumps - 10/29/14 10:18 AM

Originally Posted By seanriddle
I got the Simon TMS-1000 and decapped it: http://www.seanriddle.com/simon_metal_full.jpg

Here's the ROM dump: http://www.seanriddle.com/simon.bin


I can't read the segment pla (upper left) or the opcode rom (upper right) in your image; is there anything special (non-standard) in those?

LN
Posted By: seanriddle

Re: New dumps - 10/29/14 07:48 PM

LN- The instruction PLA doesn't have the opcodes in the same order as the Programmer's Reference Manual shows, but the opcode mapping to microinstructions is the same. Here's a (horizontally flipped) pic: http://www.seanriddle.com/simon_acid_instpla_800.jpg

The output PLA just maps 1 2 4 8 and SL to O0-O4 since there are no 7-segment LEDs: http://www.seanriddle.com/simon_acid_opla_512.jpg
Posted By: hap

Re: New dumps - 11/03/14 05:19 PM

I have Simon emulation running fine here, so the ROM is good. =)
It 99% matches this patent diagram: https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pages/US4207087-2.png

Sean, did Simon send you just the chip? Or the PCB as well? I'd like to know the OSC frequency (probably a simple RC oscillator). When comparing with Youtube vids, I come up with about 330khz.

And did it have a Skill switch? I can't find it in the inputs(yet)
Posted By: seanriddle

Re: New dumps - 11/03/14 10:23 PM

Cool! Yes, I just got the chip. He's busy, but said he'd look at the PCB when he had time. I'll ask him about the resistors and skill switch.

Do you know anything about the TI 0970? I guess it came somewhere between the TMS1000 and TMS1100- the die looks similar to those, but I don't have any tech info on it. Comp IV, Code Name: Sector and Wiz-a-tron all use it (and from the die markings, it looks like there were at least 4 other ROM images). I've decapped those 3 and dumped the ROMs, but the instructions must be different from the stock TMS1000. I don't think it has as configurable of an instruction PLA; it looks smaller and simpler than the other chips.
Wiz-a-tron pics here: http://www.seanriddle.com/ticalcs.html
Posted By: hap

Re: New dumps - 11/03/14 11:19 PM

To be honest I don't know much about the TMS1000 series. And find it hard to learn with MESS/MAME since the disasm in our debugger isn't very friendly with this emulation core.

I see MESS does emulate TI 0980. If the opcodes work same as '970, it should be easy to add support.
Wiz-a-tron looks fun, looks like it's same hw as Little Professor(?)
Posted By: seanriddle

Re: New dumps - 11/04/14 07:28 AM

TI's microcontroller naming methodology confuses me. The 0980 is the chip from the TI-30 and TI-Programmer; I also decapped both of those. That one's got 9-bit ROM, and this one is 8-bit. I was spoiled by all the information about the TMS1000 and TMS1100 available in patents and manuals! datamath.org has lots of chip pinouts and patent links, but I can't find anything about the 0970. The pinout is similar to the TMS1x00, but it doesn't have an INIT (reset) input, and has 2 more keypad inputs. It has 1K of ROM like the TMS1000, and if I transcribe the bits the same way the result looks pretty good, but there's some wacky stuff; the 2nd opcode after reset is a RETN, and the 8th opcode branches back one opcode and causes an infinite loop. I'm not sure if the byte order is subtly different, or the ROM pages are rearranged, or the reset vector is different. And I wouldn't be surprised if some of the opcodes behave differently from the TMS1000's.
Posted By: Lord Nightmare

Re: New dumps - 11/04/14 12:08 PM

TMC0805 is an older (predecessor?) to the tms1000 itself, see http://siliconpr0n.org/map/ti/tmc0805nc/top_metal_mit20x/

The first single-chip mcu (and CPU in general, predating the intel 4004 by a few months supposedly, though there is some debate) ever made was I believe the tmc0100 in 1972, see http://www.decadecounter.com/vta/articleview.php?item=563

LN
Posted By: hap

Re: New dumps - 11/05/14 01:44 AM

Maybe we can figure out more about the TI-0970 when poking around in MESS. Do you have a repository with your recent dumps/decaps? I think Comp IV is the easiest target (looking at the simplicity and amount of inputs/outputs)

*edit* Ahh, TI-30, would be cool to see that emulated. It looks like a big task though, unless there are schematics somewhere.
Posted By: seanriddle

Re: New dumps - 11/05/14 09:26 AM

Simon posted his schematic of the Rev A Simon PCB: http://www.waitingforfriday.com/forum/download/file.php?id=160

It's essentially the same as the patent, with the skill switch added to R9. The OSC resistor is 33K. Switch/Lamp 1 is green, 2 is red, 3 is yellow and 4 is blue.

He had some difficulty tracing the switch wiring, and his diagram has game 1 and game 2 swapped. He mapped out skill 1 2 3 4 to K 2 4 8 1, but K 1 2 4 8 seems more logical.
Posted By: seanriddle

Re: New dumps - 11/05/14 09:40 AM

I'll upload the 0970 info I've got and post the link. I've got die shots and ROM dumps from the 3 games that I've found that use it - Comp IV, Code Name: Sector and Wiz-a-tron. I've traced the wiring of each of those as well. I just bought a TI-1270 and I'll see if it also uses one.

There's probably enough info on the 0980 to get the TI-30 working. There are no components other than the chip, the keypad and the LEDs, and I've traced the wiring. Datamath.org shows 5 other calculators that use the chip; I've got the TI-Programmer.
Posted By: hap

Re: New dumps - 11/05/14 11:18 AM

Great, notes/drawing of the wiring would definitely help, especially in the case of TI-30 or other calculators with lots of buttons.

On Simon, I can confirm that game 1 and 2 are swapped. And I can confirm that skill 1 2 3 4 is on K 2 4 ? ? (even with savestates, I'm having a hard time completing skill level 3 :P)
Posted By: seanriddle

Re: New dumps - 11/05/14 06:50 PM

Simon surmised that swapping the inputs from the most logical arrangement was likely due to the difficulties in routing a one-sided PCB.
Posted By: seanriddle

Re: New dumps - 11/06/14 08:30 PM

Here's my 0970 page; it has the Comp IV info, and I'll add the Code Name: Sector and Wiz-A-Tron info over the next few days. I found that my full die shots were pretty distorted quickies from ICE, so I'll clean those up before posting them.
http://www.seanriddle.com/0970.html

Posted By: hap

Re: New dumps - 11/06/14 11:46 PM

Thanks!

http://www.datamath.org/Chips/TMS0972S.htm
Hmm, I see similarities with that pinout, except strangely that there's an output pin in-between the K pins.

Pin 5 - keypad row 0
Pin 6 - Number LED 4
Pin 7 - keypad row 1
Pin 8 - keypad row 2
Pin 9 - keypad row 3
Posted By: Stiletto

Re: New dumps - 11/07/14 02:19 AM

Yeah, pertinent links:
http://www.datamath.org/Chips/TMS0972.htm
http://www.datamath.org/Chips/TMS0972S.htm
http://www.decadecounter.com/vta/pict6/tms0972nl.jpg
http://www.datamath.org/Story/Intel.htm
http://research-srv.microsoft.com/en-us/...les/csp0598.htm
Posted By: hap

Re: New dumps - 11/07/14 02:37 AM

er, nevermind, the chip pinouts are all alike (yeah, I don't know much about TMS1000 :P)

The game looks alive in MESS in a preliminary implementation here. I can press the "R" key and see it writing patterns. I'll look more into it and post an update when I know more.
Posted By: seanriddle

Re: New dumps - 11/07/14 04:11 AM

Yeah, I checked pin 6 several times since it looks out of place. Many of those TI chips have similar pinouts. Another difference between Comp IV and the 0972 is pin 22- N/C on the 0972 but an output on Comp IV.

I put a post-acid die shot on my web page. It's not the best pic - I overheated the die and didn't agitate the acid enough - but it should be useful.

4A0970 is on all 3 dice, but I think 4A is just a layer label- in various open areas around the die there's also 1C, 2, 3Q (?), 5A, and 6A. Comp IV's die has 0970D-04A, Code Name: Sector has 0970F-05B and Wiz-A-Tron has 0970F-07B. I think D and F indicate the die revision, -04, -05 and -07 indicate the ROM contents, and A or B are the ROM revisions.
Posted By: seanriddle

Re: New dumps - 11/07/14 05:21 AM

Oops- the infinite loop issue I mentioned above is with the Wiz-A-Tron ROM dump, not the Comp IV ROM dump. Comp IV looks very good- it initializes RAM, sets the R outputs, then loops toggling O0, O1 and O2 to strobe the keypad. But there is no RSTR opcode anywhere in the ROM dump to reset the R outputs, which the 10 LEDs are connected to. I'm not sure if the hex value changed for RSTR or if resetting R is a by-product of some other opcode.
Posted By: hap

Re: New dumps - 11/07/14 08:17 PM

I've added a preliminary comp4 driver to the MESS source, see: https://github.com/mamedev/mame/commit/95a6f484e51b1b915aefe1e26bf3fb86ced62d0a

add something like this at write_o to see activity:
if (data > 2) printf("%X",data);
You will see it writing different values while you play the game. Maybe a couple of LEDs are connected here.

As for write_r, yes, something's iffy with the R outputs. It always writes the same value.

*edit* if you speak a little German, here's a good video of the toy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKtuvonAuIE

Posted By: seanriddle

Re: New dumps - 11/08/14 12:07 AM

Cool! They "misused" the R- and O-outputs since they don't have any 7-segment LEDs. Normally each R-output would select a 7-segment digit and a keypad row, and the O-outputs would output the segments for the selected digit. The K-inputs would connect to the keypad columns. In CompIV, each of the 10 LEDs is connected to a separate R-output, and 3 bits of the O-output strobe the keypad columns. One more O-output bit is the common anode for the LEDs so it's easier to flash them all at once. The K-inputs are connected to the keypad rows.
So while it's waiting for keypad input, the O-output should cycle between 3 values as it strobes the keypad columns. Unfortunately, I can't see an obvious output PLA like the TMS-1x00 has, so I'm not sure how writes to the O-register map to the O-output bits. Since there are no 7-segment LEDs, you'd think they'd just map the 4 bits directly, 01 02 04 08, but I'm seeing 00, 01, and 02 written to the O-register.
I found the opcode decoding for SETR on the die, but not RSTR, which is odd. If I toggle the K inputs sorta randomly with the little emulator I modified from Paul Robson's TMS1100 emu, I can see memory locations change, but I never see any of the R outputs written to again after the reset routing sets them all. And the O-register data changes from 00, 01, 02 to 10, 11, 12 after I mess with the inputs, which I assume is the LED common anode.
Posted By: hap

Re: New dumps - 11/09/14 07:28 PM

I saw that you uploaded pinout info of the other games to your 0970 page. Did you have the romdumps too? Or do you still have to double-check them with your die images? smile
Posted By: seanriddle

Re: New dumps - 11/09/14 09:12 PM

I just copied the Wiz-A-Tron ROM dump out there. I have to do some more work on Code Name: Sector.

The 0970 die shots are very similar to the 0980 die shots (TI-30, TI-Programmer, etc), other than the fact that the 0980 has twice the RAM and ROM, and the ROM is 9-bit rather than 8-bit. So I've been reading one of the TI-30 patents (4064554) to see what I can pick up.

I was able to locate the output PLA on the 0970- it's just above the RAM array, rotated 90 degrees from figure 13 in the TI-30 patent. The Wiz-A-Tron output PLA is pretty typical- 0-9 map to the segments needed to display them on a 7-segment LED, ABCD map to the special LED it has for digit 3 to display plus, minus, multiply and divide symbols, E is a lower case r and F is a blank.

I'm confused by CompIV's output PLA. It only uses 4 of the O output bits - 1 for each keypad column and 1 as the common anode for the LEDs - so I was expecting a pretty simple PLA, but all 8 output bits are defined and change, and I don't understand how the 4 bits it uses work.

Since the 0980's ROM is 9-bit instead of 8-bit, they have room for new opcodes (BRANCH and CALL take up 1/2 the opcodes on both chips). The 0970 seems to be working pretty well with the TMS1000 opcodes; I think we would see more issues if much had changed.

The TI-30 patent mentions that SETR does an implicit DYN (decrement Y), but the 0970 definitely doesn't - the initialization code does an explicit DYN after each SETR. The TI-30 patent doesn't list RSTR, which jibes with what we are seeing with the CompIV code. If I'm reading it correctly, TDO clears the R outputs, presumably some time after the LED segments are lit up.

Another similarity is the extra input. The TI-30 patent mentions K3 in addition to K1, K2, K4, and K8. It's called K3 because instead of adding another bit (there's no place to put it since it is a 4-bit chip), it turns on both K1 and K2. That's fine in a calculator, where the K lines are connected to keypad columns and only one is active at a time.

The 0980 has several new features that the TMS1000 doesn't. I'm not sure how many of these are in the 0970. It seems like most of them can't be, since they require new opcodes. I need to profile the CompIV code and see what TMS1000 opcodes that it doesn't use- they might have been replaced.

I really wish there was a patent for the 0970. The TI-30 patent should make it pretty easy to get the TI-30 emulated. I've also got the TI-Programmer and I just bought a Business Analyst, both of which use the same chip.
Posted By: hap

Re: New dumps - 11/10/14 04:43 PM

some useful links:
list of relevant TI patents: http://www.rskey.org/~mwsebastian/patents/patent_ti.htm
codename sector patent: https://www.google.com/patents/US4171135
stop thief patent(mess/drivers/stopthie.c) http://www.google.com/patents/US4341385

By the way, I had thought MESS supported TMS0980, but it looks like it's not finished yet. It'll take a while still to emulate the TI-30 then.
Posted By: hap

Re: New dumps - 11/10/14 05:10 PM

I've uploaded a very preliminary driver for wizatron: https://github.com/mamedev/mame/blob/master/src/mess/drivers/wizatron.c

Hmm, all these TMS1000 based handhelds are very similar they could all fit in a single driver, but I prefer keeping them separate per manufacturer and hardware generation.
Posted By: seanriddle

Re: New dumps - 11/10/14 07:19 PM

I guess TI just didn't have a separate patent for the 0970.
I found the CN:S patent before; unfortunately, it describes using an 8080. Stop Thief is interesting- I just bought one, so I can compare my visual ROM dump to the patent.
I added a CN:S die shot. Unfortunately, there's a glob of plastic covering about 80 bits of the ROM array, so I'll have to try to get that off to finish the ROM dump.
I added the output O PLA info to the hardware descriptions.
I noticed the comparison table in tms0980.c says the 0980 RAM is 64x9, but if I'm reading the patent correctly, it's really 144x4. Same number of bits, but different layout.
Posted By: hap

Re: New dumps - 11/11/14 01:39 AM

Ok, I corrected the MESS 0980 cpu core and added the output plas to the drivers. =)

I've read a bit of the TI-30 patent and am starting to understand the SETR and TDO operation. In short, there's a DIGG line that determines if SETR sets a bit to 0 or 1. I assume it's the same way on the 0970.
Right now I think the best next step is TI-30 emulation, assuming you dumped it. (I only saw the die photo on your site)
Posted By: seanriddle

Re: New dumps - 11/11/14 05:24 AM

I cleaned up the Code Name: Sector die and put the ROM dump on my page.

I haven't dumped the 0980 chips yet; I'll work on that next. I'll dump them in the same way that I did the TMS-1x00s, and when I get the Stop Thief game I'll dump it and check that against the patent object code to make sure they match.

I'll need to read the patent several more times to understand it.
Posted By: seanriddle

Re: New dumps - 11/11/14 07:53 AM

This is interesting- the Stop Thief patent object code is labeled MP6101, and there is a current ebay auction for a TMS0980NLL MP6101B: http://www.ebay.com/itm/TMS0980NLL-TI-28-PIN-DIP-VINTAGE-NOS-TMS0980-/370468359890
Posted By: hap

Re: New dumps - 11/12/14 12:31 AM

boo, another hurdle: There are small differences between the die pics in the (micro?)instruction PLA; the 32x16 table directly to the right of the RAM. I assume each of the 16 lines is a microinstruction. The table to the right of it, a 1-to-32-selector?*, doesn't have differences.

Hmm, so excluding calls/branches, which are a special case, there are still 128 possibilities. How does the cpu map 32 to 128?

*edit; nevermind, it is the table on the right
Posted By: hap

Re: New dumps - 11/12/14 01:35 AM

Another one (as above, again for the 0970 games). There's a minor difference with the 'segment pla': the 8x6 table next to the top-left of RAM. It's meant as a 1-of-8 selector, but on Comp IV, the topmost line is unconnected. This probably affects O0 (LEDs common pin).
Posted By: hap

Re: New dumps - 11/12/14 06:18 AM

Could you upload sr16.bin please? It's a good testcase of a slightly different instruction PLA. Just the file will do for now, I don't mind it if you don't have a hw description of it yet. =)
Posted By: seanriddle

Re: New dumps - 11/12/14 06:36 AM

Oops- I need to go over everything and see what else I haven't uploaded. I put the SR16 ROM dump out there.
Posted By: seanriddle

Re: New dumps - 11/12/14 08:23 AM

The instruction PLA on the TMS1000 has an opcode decoder that compares the ROM byte to a list of opcodes and selects a set of microinstructions to execute for that opcode. All 256 hex values from 00 to FF are valid opcodes; those belong to 43 different instructions. You can select the microinstructions for 30 of the opcodes with the PLA; the other 13 instructions are fixed. There are 16 different microinstructions that you can select from, although some are logically mutually exclusive.

On the 970, the table directly right of the RAM (labeled 46 microinstruction decoder in patent 4064554) has the microinstructions, but the table right of it (labeled 44 ROM word address decode and microinstruction select) decodes the numbers 00 to 31, not opcodes. I guess that means there is another table that converts opcodes to 00 to 31.
There is another table right and above the center of the die that decodes the fixed instructions SETR, RBIT, SBIT, LDX, COMX and TDO like figure 23 in the patent. It also partially decodes several other bit patterns, including the ones with the top 4 bits set to 1X, 4X, 5X, 6X and 7X.

We can deduce some microinstruction differences by emulating the standard set and seeing what doesn't work. For instance, Code Name: Sector requires TCMIY to set status or else it gets caught in a loop initializing RAM. It also requires SETR to decrement Y and set status.

We can also count the number of microinstructions that each opcode uses, and use that information to help determine certain opcodes in the microinstruction decoder. Most opcodes use 9 microinstructions, but only a few use 7, 8 or 10. That narrows down what opcodes those could be, and comparing the microinstructions used by those will narrow down which microinstructions are which. Some microinstructions are used a lot less frequently than others, which helps ID them as well as the opcodes that use them.
Posted By: hap

Re: New dumps - 11/13/14 12:20 AM

Thanks. =)
Ok, I'll start working on an update to the MESS TMS 0980/1000 cpu emulation. It will need a lot of work to support programmable opcodes flexibly. We already have a pla device (emu/machine/pla.*), I suppose I could make that device more generic and use that.
Posted By: Lord Nightmare

Re: New dumps - 11/13/14 02:34 AM

I could have sworn judge_ coded the tms1000 stuff so it does already support custom opcode plas, but perhaps it only supports them compiled-in rather than loadable as roms?

LN
Posted By: hap

Re: New dumps - 11/13/14 03:12 AM

Yes, it is hardcoded as opcode tables in the cpu core source. There are also some smaller problems like no support for a fixed instruction combined with microinstructions.

It does support the output pla nicely though. Not much improvement needed there, besides loading it externally.
Posted By: judge

Re: New dumps - 11/13/14 07:41 AM

I did think about being able to add custom instructions in that cpu core. There were just no use cases at the time, so I do not know how much code survived.

Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 11/13/14 08:25 PM

I had a look at the EuroPC driver today - there was also a EuroPC II that isn't yet contained in the driver.

The BIOS and character ROMs are here, along with a picture of the mainboard and the optional external Harddisk HD20 that could also be fitted to the EuroPC.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55419307/Euro%20PC%20II.rar

The original EuroPC had only 512K of RAM (our driver says 640), the EuroPC II had 768K and could be fitted with an 8087 coprocessor.

This website also shows the 5,25" 360K external Floppy drive that was available.

http://www.classiccomputer.de/ams/scheuropc.htm

The HD controller BIOS is contained in the main ROM dump, the harddisk interface is on the mainboard and connects to a WD93028(x) XT IDE interface harddisk.

http://stason.org/TULARC/pc/hard-drives-...ml#.VGUTOLGtzBU



Posted By: seanriddle

Re: New dumps - 11/17/14 09:40 PM

I got the TI-1270, TI Business Analyst I, Stop Thief and TMS0980/MP6101B. No big surprises- the TI-1270 die is an 0970, the TI BA I and Stop Thief are 0980s.

The TMS0974 in the TI-1270 has the same pinout as a TMS-1000, and the other 0970s are different, but pretty similar. I wonder if TI had a bunch of PCBs already made up with the TMS-1000 pinout, so they attached the bond wires to the 0970 die to make it work. Comp IV's pinout is slightly different from the other 2 games- maybe to make the single-sided PCB easier to route?

I removed the chip from the Stop Thief PCB and soldered the MP6101B in it's place to confirm it is the same chip. I decapped Stop Thief and transcribed the bits, but it doesn't match the object code in the patent. I did a frequency count on my dump and the patent object code and they are almost identical, so that means I put all the 9-bit words together correctly, just not in the right order. I also corrected 5 bytes in the Stop Thief ROM dump: 0E9 from 40 to 44, 223 from 08 to 80, AA9 from 90 to 09, E61 from BF to 8F and FA7 from 30 to 03.
Posted By: hap

Re: New dumps - 11/18/14 01:07 AM

Cool, no big surprises can only mean good.
The 0980 ROM order: well, it's only the addressbus, 2048 locations: 11bit, means bruteforcing will find the solution quick. =)

I've been busy making PLA files and trying to figure out microinstructions for the 970/980. I'll paste the one from wizatron for an example:
Code:
# TMS0970 Wiz-A-Tron opcode decoder, shared with the microinstruction pointer table.
# The fixed part is commented out, but not removed entirely incase differences are found later.
.i 8
.o 7
.p 11
# 11110000 # -> RETN
# 10110000 # -> SETR
# --101100 # -> RBIT
# --001100 # -> SBIT
#
# --111100 # -> LDX
# 00000000 # -> COMX
  01010000 000001~ # + -> TDO
  11110000 000001~
  -------- 000000~
  -------- 000000~
  11000101 110010~
  --011100 111100~
  ----1110 110100~
  ----0110 010100~
  ----1010 001100~
  ----0010 001000~
  ----0-00 ~~~~~~1 # microinstruction redirect lane
# ----1000 # -> LDP
.e


and microinstructions(small part of it):
Code:
# TMS0970 Wiz-a-Tron microinstructions
# The input matrix is a shared 1-of-32 selector.
.i 5
.o 15
.p 32
10000 111111111001000
00000 011111111001000
00001 010111110001010
10001 010111111001100
10010 011011111001010
(...)
01111 001011110101000
11111 011111111001100
.e


This is the Berkeley PLA file format: https://github.com/mamedev/mame/blob/master/src/lib/util/plaparse.c
left rows is the and-mask, to the right is the or-mask.

If "microinstruction redirect lane" is activated, bits 0,1,2,3,5 directly select one of the microinstruction rows, but if output 000001 is activated, this is disabled.

If one of the other outputs is activated, 5 bits from the or-mask select a microinstruction row. For example, this one selects a microinstruction(110010) to opcode $A3: 11000101 110010~.

The bit order of the microinstruction table is very similar to TMS1000. It's 15-bit instead of 16-bit; M_STSL is gone.
Posted By: seanriddle

Re: New dumps - 11/19/14 11:56 PM

I noticed there were only 15 microinstructions, but how did you figure out which one they left out?

I compared the ROM word address decoder on the TMS0980 to the TMS1100- the 0980's is simpler. The bit and page order in each row is the same, but the rows are now in byte order. But when I remapped the raw Stop Thief ROM dump, it does not match up with the dump I made from the patent. It matches 99% for byte ranges 000-0FF, 200-2FF, 400-9FF and F00-FFF, but hardly at all from 100-1FF, 300-3FF, and A00-EFF. I don't understand how those ranges could be wrong but the others correct. Maybe they changed the code between when the patent was filed and the chip was made? Once we get the 0980 emulator or at least disassembler going, I can check out my dump and see if it makes sense.

I posted the Stop Thief and TI-30 ROM dumps. I'll get the Programmer and Business Analyst done over the next few days.
Posted By: hap

Re: New dumps - 11/20/14 03:59 AM

Yeah, I would assume it's due to changes made after the patent was filed. We'll know for sure later.

It was pretty easy to see that STSL was left out after I decoded the PLAs to a 256-entries table. Just count how many microinstructions are used per opcode. STSL is rarely used on TMS1000.

On the other end: figuring out the order of microinstructions in the table for TMS0980 was a harder puzzle.
Posted By: Lord Nightmare

Re: New dumps - 11/20/14 04:58 AM

The patent code and the final code do not match. This is also true for the star wars battle command game, where about 3/4 of the code from the test mode dump (which is only 7 of 8 bits, we still need an actual decap) matches the patent and the rest is different.

The fixes made to the rom in MESS earlier due to 'mistyped patent code' could well be wrong, if they are changing jump destinations when jumping to the code pages which changed.

Effectively, the patent code and the final code should both be in MESS, the patent code as a 'proto' version, I suppose.

LN
Posted By: seanriddle

Re: New dumps - 11/20/14 05:30 AM

I figured out that one byte on each line of the Stop Thief patent code is a checksum, so I used it to verify my file. Since it's just a simple additive mod 256, there's still a chance of 2 errors cancelling each other out, but since I also compared my transcription to the stopthie.bin file and corrected the differences between the two, I'm pretty confident of it.

The only thing that bugs me about the patent code and the chip code being different is that both are shown as revision B. But maybe B meant TMS0980 as opposed to a different processor, rather than a version number. The patent for Code Name: Sector (by the same creators as Stop Thief) references the 8080, although the games I've seen used a TMS0970.
Posted By: seanriddle

Re: New dumps - 11/20/14 08:45 AM

Originally Posted By Lord Nightmare
This is also true for the star wars battle command game, where about 3/4 of the code from the test mode dump (which is only 7 of 8 bits, we still need an actual decap) matches the patent and the rest is different.
LN

I've decapped SW Battle Command- that's the TMS1100 die that I used to figure out the physical to logical mapping of the ROM bits. I just did a quick compare with Kevtris's dump and there are 32 bytes that are different, mostly 1-bit differences. I'll double-check my transcription - I bet those are my errors.
Posted By: seanriddle

Re: New dumps - 11/20/14 11:30 PM

I used a better pic of the ROM array, and I found all the diffs in my transcription, so Kevtris's dump is correct: http://blog.kevtris.org/blogfiles/TMS1000/TMs1100_MP3438A_Starwars_Electronic_Battle_Command.bin

I think he could dump the rev B dies fine, the lower 7 bits of the rev E dies, and none of the rev G bits (I think only MicroVision Super Blockbuster was rev G).
Posted By: TeamE

Re: New dumps - 11/21/14 05:00 PM

took a look at a handheld which didn't get dumped so far!

the Leapster from LeapFrog, a handheld system for children!




first step was to get the correct pinout of the cartridges, was pretty easy because the bios of the consoles used normal 44psop flashroms.


arduino cartridge dumper...


and here are the first 6 game-dumps!

500-10933-A - Spongebob Schwammkopf hat alles im Griff (german)
500-11495-A - Findet Nemo (german)
500-11497-A - SPIDER-MAN - Schachmatt den Schildersaboteuren (german)
500-11603-A - DEMO (Herbst 2004 II) (german)
500-12141-A - Zahlenjger (german)
500-12171-A - Cars (german)


the console is based on MXFlash...so you can find alot of SWF files inside the dumps!
i just uploaded some here:
http://www.fastswf.com/DppMzGA
http://www.fastswf.com/S7lXN4g
http://www.fastswf.com/cgh9PqU
http://www.fastswf.com/X3jE1YQ

more dumps will follow!


DOWNLOAD: (roms, scans and two bios dumps):
https://www.sendspace.com/file/cyps97

Posted By: hap

Re: New dumps - 11/22/14 04:36 AM

TMS0970 Wiz-A-Tron is playable in my local build, though it behaves weird when showing the answer. It should be clearing all digit segments but only does it for half of them.

I'd like to double check the romdump. What's the byte order when compared between the romfile and the die pic? So I can make a big table with "X" and "." to stare at :p
Actually, I'd only look at the bits under the smudges. To me the bottom one looks like:
ooxxo
oxoxx
xxoxo

There's a small smudge on the left part too, but it doesn't obscure any bits; you can still see the outlines clearly.
Posted By: seanriddle

Re: New dumps - 11/22/14 09:55 AM

Excellent!

I don't have a mapping from ROM file to pic, but I'll whip something up. The bits are in the same order as on the TMS-1100: http://www.seanriddle.com/mp3438a_rom_acid.jpg

I agree with your drawing of the bits under the smudge- I compared to the top metal layer. For the other one, I have
xooxx
xxxoo
xxxoo
xoxxo

I just checked the raw ROM dump twice more, so I'm pretty confident of it. And I think the mapping from raw order to execution order must be correct or there would be a bigger problem.

I uploaded the TI-1270 ROM dump, which is also for the TMS-0970.

<edit> I created this text file showing the mapping of the execution-order ROM bits to the rows/columns in the ROM array picture. http://www.seanriddle.com/tms1000bits.txt
Posted By: hap

Re: New dumps - 11/22/14 12:41 PM

Thanks =)

Hmm, wizatron issue could also be due to how the digit leds work. They obviously should take some time to decay so strobing them doesn't look like a flickering disco. Maybe related to that.

TI-1270: do you have the post-acid pic? I can see the microinstructions, but barely see the output pla and main opcode pla.
Posted By: ICEknight

Re: New dumps - 11/22/14 05:00 PM

Originally Posted By TeamE
took a look at a handheld which didn't get dumped so far!

the Leapster from LeapFrog, a handheld system for children!

For the record, the contents of the Sonic X cartridge have been dumped already but as a regular folder with files, rather than actual chip dumps.
Posted By: Haze

Re: New dumps - 11/22/14 07:01 PM

Originally Posted By ICEknight
]For the record, the contents of the Sonic X cartridge have been dumped already but as a regular folder with files, rather than actual chip dumps.


which means it's not dumped at all, because such a 'dump' is useless
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 11/22/14 08:19 PM

Continuing from post #95842 from this thread ... I had the opportunity to buy another Diamond Speedstar VGA and popped the XBIOS ROM into my Eprom reader, read it as a 27C512. The part survived the ordeal, and so I read the XBIOS from my original card as well.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55419307/28%20%5BVGA%5D%20%5BISA%5D%20Diamond%20Speedstar.rar

These disks originally came with my Diamond Speedstar

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55419307/Diamond%20Speedstar%20ISA%20ET4000.rar

The VGA was part of a bundle which contained a nice 286 mainboard, and its BIOS string led to a manual, so all that is contained here.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55419307/Magitronic%20B233%20-%20286%20AMI.rar
Posted By: TeamE

Re: New dumps - 11/22/14 08:50 PM

Originally Posted By Haze
Originally Posted By ICEknight
]For the record, the contents of the Sonic X cartridge have been dumped already but as a regular folder with files, rather than actual chip dumps.


which means it's not dumped at all, because such a 'dump' is useless


i knew that dump, but as haze wrote, such a dump is useless for preservation! It's only good if you want to know what's inside the binary!

and for all records! the dumped SONIC game on the link above is for the DIDJ console of Leapfrog! not for the LEAPSTER. Just check the meta.inf file inside the archive!

So "Sonic X" is currently completely undumped!
Posted By: Malice

Re: New dumps - 11/23/14 11:06 AM

I recently got a Kryoflux and dumped all my C64 original game disks. I was surprised almost all of them were error free. I only included games with no hard errors and that worked in VICE. Only a few failed to work California Games, Into Eagles Nest, Renegade, and Skate or Die. I don't know if these were emulation related or that Kryoflux didn't dump the protection properly.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/jpy7v6
Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 11/23/14 09:36 PM

Some software for the TI MicroExplorer surfaced on BitSavers:
http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/bits/TI/MicroExplorer/

RB, wanna tackle another NuBus card? ;-)
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 11/23/14 10:00 PM

You'd have to emulate the LISP chip, and get a dump of any ROMs on the card (there should be at least a NuBus declaration ROM, and I assume a boot ROM for the LISP chip, although that might be downloaded).
Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 11/23/14 10:25 PM

meroko includes some PROM dumps but I didn't check if it's the microcode or just some sort of BIOS. This is for the Explorer, not the MicroExplorer though, so it wouldn't be of much help I guess.

this guy might be able to help though...
Posted By: Al Kossow

Re: New dumps - 11/24/14 12:44 AM

I have two Microexplorer boards. The software was fussy about what CPUs and OS rev it would work with. I'll see about dumping the config rom. I turned up one rev 6.1 floppy today, I'm rebuilding my lab and scanning station (just got a blueprint scanner) so I may be offline for doing much this week.
Posted By: judge

Re: New dumps - 11/24/14 07:20 AM

FWIW, i still have an unfinished raven cpu implementation in an old tree. Far from done, but I did start doing some stuff (compared execution with meroko)
Posted By: ICEknight

Re: New dumps - 11/24/14 10:17 AM

Originally Posted By TeamE
Originally Posted By Haze
Originally Posted By ICEknight
]For the record, the contents of the Sonic X cartridge have been dumped already but as a regular folder with files, rather than actual chip dumps.
which means it's not dumped at all, because such a 'dump' is useless
as haze wrote, such a dump is useless for preservation! It's only good if you want to know what's inside the binary!
I know, guys, I know... It was just in case somebody was curious, that's all. =P

Originally Posted By Malice
I recently got a Kryoflux and dumped all my C64 original game disks. I was surprised almost all of them were error free. I only included games with no hard errors and that worked in VICE. Only a few failed to work California Games, Into Eagles Nest, Renegade, and Skate or Die. I don't know if these were emulation related or that Kryoflux didn't dump the protection properly.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/jpy7v6
Thanks for sharing these! Could you please document in some way which editions were they made from? There may be many different ones for the same game, and it would be a good thing to keep track of which are already dumped and which aren't.

Also, did you dump both sides from those disks that are supposed to have the same contents in them? It might be useful in some way to make dumps of both and compare them, as you never know if there may be a few differences only noticeable by hex-comparing them (or more noticeable as in Karateka for the Apple II).


So I take these could be counted as perfect disk images once they're trimmed out of the headers added by the dumper device, as specified here?
Posted By: Malice

Re: New dumps - 11/24/14 02:23 PM

Originally Posted By Malice
I recently got a Kryoflux and dumped all my C64 original game disks. I was surprised almost all of them were error free. I only included games with no hard errors and that worked in VICE. Only a few failed to work California Games, Into Eagles Nest, Renegade, and Skate or Die. I don't know if these were emulation related or that Kryoflux didn't dump the protection properly.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/jpy7v6

Originally Posted By ICEknight

Thanks for sharing these! Could you please document in some way which editions were they made from? There may be many different ones for the same game, and it would be a good thing to keep track of which are already dumped and which aren't.


There all US NTSC editions AFAIK.

Originally Posted By ICEknight

Also, did you dump both sides from those disks that are supposed to have the same contents in them? It might be useful in some way to make dumps of both and compare them, as you never know if there may be a few differences only noticeable by hex-comparing them (or more noticeable as in Karateka for the Apple II).


No, i only dumped the back side on disks that are known to have different content on the back side. I wasn't aware that any c64 disks had duplicate contest on the back of single sided games.

I don't think there's a way to hex-compare the contents of two g64 images since each dump is drastically different. Maybe there's a way to normalize the contents but nothing that i know of. Short of converting to D64 but it's a lossy conversion with most disks.

A few of the disks do note Apple II versions on the back side Karate Champ, Hacker II, Spy Vs. Spy I & II. If any of the devs would like a dump of these i could give it a try. Although i don't think Kryoflux supports any Apple II image formats for copy protected disks. But i could supply Kryoflux stream files if any are protected.

Originally Posted By ICEknight

So I take these could be counted as perfect disk images once they're trimmed out of the headers added by the dumper device, as specified here?


Yes there all perfect disk images AFAIK.
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 11/24/14 02:41 PM

Kryoflux stream files for the Apple II images would be fine, I think smile
Posted By: ICEknight

Re: New dumps - 11/24/14 03:51 PM

Originally Posted By Malice
i only dumped the back side on disks that are known to have different content on the back side. I wasn't aware that any c64 disks had duplicate contest on the back of single sided games.

I don't think there's a way to hex-compare the contents of two g64 images since each dump is drastically different. Maybe there's a way to normalize the contents but nothing that i know of.
Hex editors like Hex Workshop have a function to resynchronize the data when comparing files, so it would indeed be possible to locate the matching data even if it's stored in different places.

In any case, if dumping each side gives drastically different results... then, technically, the dumps may not really be "complete" until both sides are preserved, right?
Posted By: Waremonger

Re: New dumps - 11/24/14 09:20 PM

Originally Posted By Malice
I recently got a Kryoflux and dumped all my C64 original game disks. I was surprised almost all of them were error free. I only included games with no hard errors and that worked in VICE. Only a few failed to work California Games, Into Eagles Nest, Renegade, and Skate or Die. I don't know if these were emulation related or that Kryoflux didn't dump the protection properly.


I also imaged these games about 7 years ago using a modified 1541 drive with an XMP1541 cable and nibtools. At the time I imaged them none of the three would work in WinVice, CCS64, or MESS. I just retried them and none of them worked in WinVice (2.4), CCS64 (3.9.1) or MESS (0.154). You were able to get them to work in Vice? I just wanted to verify since you were questioning whether Kyroflux dumped the protection properly.
Posted By: Malice

Re: New dumps - 11/25/14 04:41 AM

Originally Posted By ICEknight
Originally Posted By Malice
i only dumped the back side on disks that are known to have different content on the back side. I wasn't aware that any c64 disks had duplicate contest on the back of single sided games.

I don't think there's a way to hex-compare the contents of two g64 images since each dump is drastically different. Maybe there's a way to normalize the contents but nothing that i know of.
Hex editors like Hex Workshop have a function to resynchronize the data when comparing files, so it would indeed be possible to locate the matching data even if it's stored in different places.

In any case, if dumping each side gives drastically different results... then, technically, the dumps may not really be "complete" until both sides are preserved, right?


What i was referring to is when dumping to g64 you never seem to get identical dumps. I assume this is due to imaging as GCR encoding rather then a plain sector dump.

Because of the nature of dumping C64 disks with Kryoflux you either need a modified floppy drive. Or you need an index hole for both sides of the disk or you can't dump the back side properly. So i have to hole punch the disk sleeve if it doesn't already have an index hole for the back side. So unless i know the back side needs to be copied i'm hesitant to try just to find it's unformatted. Most disks note contents on both sides ones that don't i've checked online to see if there 1 or 2 sided.

I did miss the back side for Shoot'em Up Construction kit i'll upload it later.
Posted By: Malice

Re: New dumps - 11/25/14 04:48 AM

Originally Posted By Waremonger
Originally Posted By Malice
I recently got a Kryoflux and dumped all my C64 original game disks. I was surprised almost all of them were error free. I only included games with no hard errors and that worked in VICE. Only a few failed to work California Games, Into Eagles Nest, Renegade, and Skate or Die. I don't know if these were emulation related or that Kryoflux didn't dump the protection properly.


I also imaged these games about 7 years ago using a modified 1541 drive with an XMP1541 cable and nibtools. At the time I imaged them none of the three would work in WinVice, CCS64, or MESS. I just retried them and none of them worked in WinVice (2.4), CCS64 (3.9.1) or MESS (0.154). You were able to get them to work in Vice? I just wanted to verify since you were questioning whether Kyroflux dumped the protection properly.


The 4 games i listed did not work in Vice. I was contemplating whether it was an emulation issue or a dumping problem.
Posted By: Waremonger

Re: New dumps - 11/25/14 05:18 AM

Originally Posted By Malice
The 4 games i listed did not work in Vice. I was contemplating whether it was an emulation issue or a dumping problem.

Gotcha.
Posted By: smf

Re: New dumps - 11/25/14 10:34 AM

Originally Posted By Malice
What i was referring to is when dumping to g64 you never seem to get identical dumps. I assume this is due to imaging as GCR encoding rather then a plain sector dump.


Yeah, the problem with dumping raw is you're trying to read everything including data that isn't really there. It's unreliable to read and hard to tell whether it's important or not.

Good dumps not working in Vice are common, for example there was an assumption about how the data in the g64 was structured because it was how older tools generated them. New tools came along which generated valid files but those assumptions were no longer valid and the protection checks would fail.


Posted By: ICEknight

Re: New dumps - 11/25/14 04:35 PM

Originally Posted By smf
Originally Posted By Malice
What i was referring to is when dumping to g64 you never seem to get identical dumps. I assume this is due to imaging as GCR encoding rather then a plain sector dump.
Yeah, the problem with dumping raw is you're trying to read everything including data that isn't really there. It's unreliable to read and hard to tell whether it's important or not.
Okay, so... These dumps can't be verified against other dumps, then?

How can we know that nothing went wrong and they're perfect? I'm confused now.
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 11/25/14 05:06 PM

Dumps done on drives without a hardware index hole sensor cannot be verified against each other, welcome to what we've been talking about for the last 2 years smile
Posted By: ICEknight

Re: New dumps - 11/25/14 09:58 PM

Well, I hope that somebody will eventually come up with a way to extract and preserve just the relevant (non-exclusively-physical) info from these, in a way that two dumps from two disks of the same version of the game will give the same results...

I mean, I'm sure that more difficult things have been achieved at this point.
Posted By: smf

Re: New dumps - 11/26/14 11:42 PM

Originally Posted By ICEknight
Well, I hope that somebody will eventually come up with a way to extract and preserve just the relevant (non-exclusively-physical) info from these, in a way that two dumps from two disks of the same version of the game will give the same results...

I mean, I'm sure that more difficult things have been achieved at this point.


If you don't know how to achieve it, how can you make a judgement on whether it's more or less difficult than other things?

Even with an index sensor you could have problems. There is nothing to say that the original disks were written synchronised to the index sensor & even if there were there might have been an offset. With a long track you can still end up being in the middle of data when the index pulse happens.

It is essentially impossible to automatically dump every single game into a working and consistent image. You can try to build a system where the software analyses the data and recognises which game it is and re-masters it, but you have to do the original re-mastering by hand.

Posted By: ICEknight

Re: New dumps - 11/27/14 05:48 PM

Originally Posted By smf
You can try to build a system where the software analyses the data and recognises which game it is and re-masters it
This would also be useful for matching and verifying tape images, by the way. I guess it would be incredibly complicated to make such a thing? =\
Posted By: seanriddle

Re: New dumps - 11/30/14 07:20 AM

The Coleco Quiz Wiz is handheld trivia game from the early 80s. The main unit has a numeric keypad to enter the question #, letters ABCD to enter the answer, an ANSWER button to check the answer, and a CLEAR button. There is a green YES LED and a red NO LED. It has a piezo buzzer that plays a high note for YES and a low note for NO.

The unit docks with a cartridge that's part of a plastic case that protects the unit and holds a booklet with the questions. The unit I got came with book #1, with 1001 questions, like "who broke the home run record set by Babe Ruth" and "She formed the Stone Poneys with two friends".

The patent (4303398) shows 2 different embodiments. The first uses a calculator chip - not a custom programmed one like the TI TMS chips, but a regular calculator chip. The buttons were to be labelled so that when you punched in a question # and answer, you were really entering an equation into the calculator. It wound up that if you entered the wrong answer it caused a divide-by-zero that blinked the red LED, otherwise the green one lit up. Pretty odd.

The 2nd concept has 4 latches that get set or cleared based on the question # entered. Numbers 0 and 4 always clear their latches, 5 and 6 always set their latches, and the other digits set or clear their latches based on the cartridge wiring: for cart #1, numbers 2, 8 and 9 clear their latches, and 1, 3 and 7 set theirs. The 10 digits are grouped 1, 5 and 8 on latch 1, 0 and 3 on latch 2, 4 and 7 on latch 3 and 2, 6 and 9 on latch 4. If latch 1 and latch 2 are the same, the first digit of the answer is 0, else it's 1. If latch 3 and latch 4 are the same, the second digit of the answer is 0, else it's 1. Answer 11 is A, 10 is B, 01 is C and 00 is D. So entering 347 would set latch 2, clear latch 3, then set latch 3; latch 1 is different from latch 2 and latch 3 is different from latch 4, so the answer is 11=A. (To check this example I had to cheat, because I did not know the first name of Seals, of Seals and Croft.)

When I opened it up, instead of the several TTL chips that the patent showed, there was only 1 14-pin chip with custom markings. The cart is simple- there are 8 pins, and cart 1 just connects 1-4 together and 5-8 together. The patent shows it and cart 8, which wires 1 to 5, 2 to 6, 3 to 7 and 4 to 8.

I decapped the chip but the die didn't separate from the plastic, so I'll have to try some H2SO4. It should be a pretty simple die.

The instructions say you have to hit clear before entering each question, and the schematic in the patent confirms that, but the unit I got doesn't require it. I guess they were able to add a few more gates to make it easier to play.

The algorithm isn't great; for the 1001 cart 1 questions, B and D are the answers 63% of the time. The first 10 answers are BDBDBCCDDD. That helps to know when you need to guess.

It looks like there are at least a dozen more quiz books, but I can't imagine the work to enter all those questions....
Posted By: shattered

Re: New dumps - 11/30/14 10:01 AM

http://zx-pk.ru/showpost.php?p=757807&postcount=28 -- MB112S146 (from Arkanoid board) decapped photos
Posted By: rorirub

Re: New dumps - 12/01/14 01:40 AM

Sega Saturn video cd card rom dumps:

Saturn Video CD Card (PAL MK-80310 v1.105).rar 7.2 MB
Saturn Video CD Card (JPN HSS-0119 REV1 v1.102).rar 9.9 MB
Saturn Video CD Card (JPN Hitachi REV1 v1.009).rar 4.0 MB
Saturn Video CD Card (JPN Hitachi REV2 v1.011).rar 10.4 MB
Saturn Video CD Card (JPN RG-VC2 v2.000).rar 8.1 MB
Saturn Video CD Card (JPN RG-VC2 v2.001).rar 13.8 MB
Saturn Video CD Card (JPN RG-VC20 v3.000).rar 16.1 MB

Archives include documentation and lots of photos. One or two more dumps are currently pending verification. At least three, but maybe as much as six more cards are still undumped.
Posted By: ICEknight

Re: New dumps - 12/11/14 06:17 PM

This topic has just reminded me of those cartridges that certain old Casio keyboards like the PT-82 worked with: http://www.crumblenet.co.uk/keyb/rpacks.html

Are these things being preserved? It would be an interesting device to support, in my oppinion.

There seems to be plenty of them, too: http://www.crumblenet.co.uk/keyb/packdata/rompacks.php
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 12/11/14 06:49 PM

Not that I know of. And since we're pretty much the only people trying to preserve old synthesizers that means "no".
Posted By: Olivier Galibert

Re: New dumps - 12/11/14 07:31 PM

Originally Posted By rorirub
Sega Saturn video cd card rom dumps


Nice. Did you manage to decrypt the first 20K? Looking at it shows that it's a context independant encryption (e.g no CBC or equivalent, so probably pure hardware), working on 32-bits values, and not a simple xor layer. Two times 20K is a little short for more analysis though :-)

OG.
Posted By: ranger_lennier

Re: New dumps - 12/12/14 12:27 AM

[Moving this post now that I see the TMSxxxx MCUs have their own thread.]
Posted By: rorirub

Re: New dumps - 12/12/14 01:42 AM

Saturn Video CD Card (JPN RG-VC1 v1.003).rar 4.9 MB
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 12/14/14 09:33 AM

While trying to get through to my box of IBM PS/2 spares, I found a box of Apple II interface cards ... mostly uneventful stuff like Disk II controller cards or unnamed 80col cards.

Of the other stuff, the IBS AP4 and the Apple Silentype (Synch Printer) card are already archived here

http://mirrors.apple2.org.za/Apple%20II%20Documentation%20Project/Interface%20Cards/

in great detail amongst a wealth of other cards.

A lot of interesting things can be found here as well:

http://www.harrowalsh.de/Elektronik/APPLEBOX/appleboxdownload.htm

I can add these:

Axiom 5120 Serial Card:
Included for completeness' sake ... I can't dump the ancient 2708 Eprom.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55419307/Apple%20II/Axiom%205120%20Serial.rar

Ehring FDC-4:
Disk controller card with the option to connect Shugart drives. I have an unbuilt PCB which has been scanned and the build manual. Disk images and BIOS from the "Apple 2 box" site above.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55419307/Apple%20II/Ehring%20FDC-4.rar

IBS Computertechnik serial card:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55419307/Apple%20II/IBS%20Computertechnik%20Serial.rar

Omnivision video card:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55419307/Apple%20II/Omnivision.rar

Unknown Centronics card:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55419307/Apple%20II/Unknown%20Centronics.rar

Unknown graphics card:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55419307/Apple%20II/Unknown%20Graphics.rar
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 12/14/14 09:45 AM

A PCI Mac accelerated graphics card:

Mac Picasso 540

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55419307/MacPicasso%20540.rar

Manual and drivers can still be found here:

http://www.villagetronic.com/g3/classics/download.html
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 12/14/14 02:32 PM

"Unknown graphics card" is yet another Videx Videoterm clone. (Pretty much any Apple II card with 2 EPROMs and a 6845 or 6545 CRTC is one of these). I'll drop it in later today.
Posted By: ranger_lennier

Re: New dumps - 12/23/14 08:31 PM

I've got a few dumps to sort through that aren't currently in the software lists. I'll send these in as soon as I get them organized (hopefully today). First up, GBA.

There was an interesting offer at IndieGameStand. By paying more than average for Volt from Quantized Bit, I got their unfinished GBA game Overstorm.

I couldn't find much information about Overstorm. Here's what the developer says. (I assume they're not native English speakers.)

"Get our older, never released game for a Game Boy Advance. It can be easy played on any GBA emulator - in a fullscreen ! smile

It's a classic action platformer game with a great music and a smooth gameplay. This alpha-stage build contains 5 playable levels and awesome 256-colors graphics, and it was shown only once in 2003 on a Game Convention."

Despite their mention of emulation, I couldn't get it working in the newest version of MESS.

There's a GBA media player called the Play-Yan. The BIOS are currently in the software list, but Nintendo also put up some free games for it on their Japanese website.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Play-Yan

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n08/playan/garage/index.html


There's a port of Another World (aka Out Of This World) for the GBA. It started out as simply a fan conversion, but was eventually authorized by the rights holder for free distribution. I played a bit of it. It ran well in MESS and looks very impressive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Another_World_%28video_game%29#Fan_ports

http://www.gbadev.org/demos.php?showinfo=1279
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 12/23/14 08:52 PM

Yeah, the AW/OOTW port was used for a lot of the early MESS driver development so it definitely runs well smile
Posted By: ranger_lennier

Re: New dumps - 12/23/14 08:59 PM

Peter Trauner sent me two Supervision dumps I didn't have previously. MahJongg is a particularly rare cart. It seems to run fine in MESS.

Peter told me that the cart "Hash Block, Jacky Lucky, Challenger Tank, Brain Power (4-in-1)" does not have any unique content in the ROMs as compared to the individual games, which have already been dumped. He says that "reinserting cartridge/power off+on switches between games."

There's a device called the TV-Link that lets you play the games on a TV. The software list includes a dump, tvlink.bin, and asks, "Does anyone know if this is the PAL or NTSC version, as 'Quickshot' made one in UK?" Peter said:

"This cartridge only polls the handheld buttons and delivers them to the console. I expect no differences to the pal version
I backuped. There is low interest on proving the NTSC timing, but its a lot of work and I haven't touch my equipment for years.
I haven't found out to make full use of the color features of the tvlink or doing a backup its microcontroller bios."

So, I assume the current dump is from the PAL version. I have an NTSC version which is available for dumping and/or decapping.

The other dump is Journey To The West, which uses bankswitching to enable a remarkably large 512kB ROM. This cart will only work in the Magnum version of the Supervision, and therefore doesn't run in MESS. However, Peter did tell me that he had modified MESS to play it, so someone might want to ask him for details.

The software list has a list of undumped carts at the top. I believe the only ones left are now Devil Paradise and Jade Legend. I saw these listed for sale on eBay once, but for very high prices. There are some other games listed, but these all look to me like obvious name mix-ups, i.e. "Box Carrier" vs. "Carrier" and "Money Bee" vs. "Honey Bee".

Here is some additional technical information Peter sent me:



Journey to the west is the only card which make use of the 4 io pins.
These were normally routed to an communication port.
In the magnum these are routed to the cartridge.
Gives a quite special cartridge type, bankswitching.
Additionally journey is the only games which makes use of
some dma circuit to copy memory/graphics around.


cartridge connector (look at the cartridge)
picture side

+ * G G
5 n n n n w D D D D D D D D n n n n N N
V c c c c e 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 c c c c D D
? I O
1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 4
2 4 6 8 0 2 4 6 8 0 2 4 6 8 0 2 4 6 8 0
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3
1 3 5 7 9 1 3 5 7 9 1 3 5 7 9 1 3 5 7 9
C C C C C
/ A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A
C 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
E 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
? ?

12 *we might be r/*w
1 is something like /A15 or /OE
12 nc in crystball
CA14,CA15,CA16 is controlled by supervision internal bankswitching hardware
0x8000-0xbfff is bankswitched
and can be mapped to 0x0000, 0x4000, 0x8000, 0xc000, 0x10000, 0x14000, 0x18000, 0x1c000 in the cartridge
0xc000-0xffff is mapped to 0x1c000-0xffff in the cartridge
CA17,CA18 is a guess
ca17: quick try to use as ca17 on flash failed (with pooredit) --> no ca17/probably not connected
40 shorter pin in crystball, connected to 38
38 or 40 gnd in?, which might be used in tvlink to be power supply
40 gnd from internal/handheld power supply
38 gnd to handheld electronic
ca17, ca18 not connected to io0..3 in my hartung supervision

journey to the west
-------------------
ca15 not used, ca16 high io0..3 ignored
dumped image as address ma15..ma18 (37,39,36,34)
io0 .. io3 used as address ma15..ma18 (39,34,36,37)
writes to 2021 for bankswitching (ca14 in standard bankswitch register, else all 4 bits used)
cartridge not working in gb1000 and gb2000 style consoles, cartridge pinout in tvlink is the same
plain variant and therefor journey to the west shouldn't work

special 4 in 1 cartridge
------------------------
reinserting cartridge/power off+on switches between games

consists of a 4024 counter,
clock is connected to +5v
q1 and q2 outputs drives a16 and a17 eprom chip lines.
Posted By: ssj

Re: New dumps - 12/23/14 09:38 PM

That's awesome news regarding the Supervision dumps! Would be great if he could share the details about getting Journey to the West to run in MESS.

I always thought Devil Paradise and Jade Legend were never released. Did you keep pictures from those auctions you've seen (or was that Peter)? I'm very interested on those.
The others yeah I'm pretty sure they are the same games you mentioned.
Posted By: ranger_lennier

Re: New dumps - 12/23/14 09:41 PM

OK, I believe this is the last thing for today. Fredric QJ Blholtz dumped Werbetextcassette, a Channel F cart which as far as I know no one even knew existed until recently. Here's the discussion from the Channel F and Videobrain Yahoo group (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/channel_f_and_videobrain/info)


me--

Thanks again for finding and preserving this. It runs great in MESS.

As far as documentation goes, is the title "Werbetextcassette"? Who is the author or publisher? Electronic-Partner? Is there any clue to the date aside from the reference to the 1980 Olympics? (By the way, if they're referring to the summer Olympics, that's the one held in the USSR that was boycotted by the USA and many other nations.)


Fredric--

In case others show up I'd call it "Werbetextcassette, electronic partner" My guess is "electronic partner" is the publisher, there could be other companies that had the same type of system, it might not be a one time thing... It would have been interesting to check the PCB, I wonder if SABA was involved in the making, cartridge connector is similar to the SABA#20 (Chess).

That "Olympia 1980" text in the program is the only reference to any date in the code or on the label. They're trying to sell videorecorders so people won't miss anything.

Label says that "Wegner-Impulstechnik" can handle reprogramming of the cart, only one of the eproms are in a socket though and there's text in more than one area so I imagine they'd have to break into it to reprogram... It would be quite difficult to desolder the two piggybacked eproms trhough the small opening(s). But I guess it could have been modified and sealed up afterwards.


me--

ElectronicPartner has an English language site here:

http://www.electronicpartner.com/en/

According to the site, "The ElectronicPartner confederation with seat in Dsseldorf is one of Europe's largest trading companies for consumer electronics and household electronics, IT and telecommunications."

How would you translate "Werbetextcassette"? Google translate won't do anything with the whole word, but gives "advertising" or "promotional" for "werbe-". So I would guess something like "Advertising Text Cassette" or "Promotional Text Cartridge".


Fredric--

It's /was an electronics chain of some sort, possibly the same as that website, translation of Werbetextcassette seems accurate. ;-)
Posted By: ranger_lennier

Re: New dumps - 12/23/14 09:50 PM

Originally Posted By ssj
That's awesome news regarding the Supervision dumps! Would be great if he could share the details about getting Journey to the West to run in MESS.

I always thought Devil Paradise and Jade Legend were never released. Did you keep pictures from those auctions you've seen (or was that Peter)? I'm very interested on those.
The others yeah I'm pretty sure they are the same games you mentioned.


I saw the auctions, but I didn't save anything. They just had generic artwork pictures, like what you'd find on flyers advertising upcoming games. Because of this, stupus was afraid the auctions were fraudulent. I don't know. It would be an awfully bold fraud given that they were listed for something like $1000 each and you'd be paying through PayPal. I did mark them as unconfirmed on the Wiki.
Posted By: ssj

Re: New dumps - 12/23/14 10:14 PM

$1000? Ouch that's pretty expensive indeed. If stupus saw them then I'm pretty sure he kept some pictures I need to check with him smile
Did those auction end a long time ago btw? I suppose they did since I never saw them coming up on my saved searches.

Did you manage to get cart scans for the dumped games?
Posted By: ranger_lennier

Re: New dumps - 12/23/14 10:23 PM

Yeah, those auctions were quite awhile back.

No, as far as I know the Supervision carts haven't been scanned. I do have a photo of a Journey To The West cart. Probably stupus is your best bet for high quality scans of these. I don't know if Peter even has them anymore.
Posted By: LoganB

Re: New dumps - 12/24/14 05:38 AM

Originally Posted By ranger_lennier
There was an interesting offer at IndieGameStand. By paying more than average for Volt from Quantized Bit, I got their unfinished GBA game Overstorm.

I couldn't find much information about Overstorm. Here's what the developer says. (I assume they're not native English speakers.)

"Get our older, never released game for a Game Boy Advance. It can be easy played on any GBA emulator - in a fullscreen ! smile

It's a classic action platformer game with a great music and a smooth gameplay. This alpha-stage build contains 5 playable levels and awesome 256-colors graphics, and it was shown only once in 2003 on a Game Convention."

By hacking it a bit, some more levels and a screen that shows an early title can be found.


Off the top of my head, I did a bit of research into the Demo Convention 2003 and they devs apparently were there.
Posted By: etabeta78

Re: New dumps - 12/24/14 05:47 AM

Originally Posted By ranger_lennier
Despite their mention of emulation, I couldn't get it working in the newest version of MESS.


Enter TAB menu, then System Configuration and turn on the skip BIOS check hack

concerning super vision: is there anyone that can help with romanizing the following title?



I can't find the correct transliteration of the third char, so to complete the correct title ("mahjang ?? tai" is not very satisfactory wink )
Posted By: LoganB

Re: New dumps - 12/24/14 06:00 AM

Originally Posted By etabeta78
concerning super vision: is there anyone that can help with romanizing the following title?



I can't find the correct transliteration of the third char, so to complete the correct title ("mahjang ?? tai" is not very satisfactory wink )


&#40635;&#23559;&#25794;&#21488;
Mjing liti
Mahjong Challenge
Posted By: etabeta78

Re: New dumps - 12/24/14 06:29 AM

many thanks smile
Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 01/08/15 02:08 AM

Not exactly a "dump" but probably interesting for some people:

Coherent 4.2.10 has been open-sourced

haven't yet tried to build it, but if it's possible it would make a nice CHD for MESS smile
Posted By: Al Kossow

Re: New dumps - 01/08/15 04:12 AM

Originally Posted By Darkstar

Coherent 4.2.10 has been open-sourced



yay!
Posted By: ICEknight

Re: New dumps - 01/17/15 12:08 AM

So there seems to be a new sound ROM for the After Burner II arcade made for the 3DS remaster, according to this interview: SEGA 3D Classics 3D Afterburner II A Classic Reborn Part 2

Might be worth checking out for a future implementation, just like happened with the "non-physical arcade" Fantasy Zone 2 DX. Not sure if the Special mode would actually run on real hardware emulation, though.

In any case, at least now we know for sure that the alternate music didn't just come from a hypothetical undumped board revision.


EDIT: Oh yeah, there's also the added final boss in Space Harrier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSJaBj8zMwQ
Posted By: ICEknight

Re: New dumps - 02/19/15 07:22 PM

Not 100% sure, but I think I've just spotted an undumped and undocumented arcade on a TV show.

In the 180th episode of Game Center CX (around 14:55), Arino plays a game with a label that reads just "Turbo PK", without "Great" at the end or any other words.

I'm not familiar with the known variations of this game, so I don't know if this is actually one of them with a wrong label.


Here's a link to the episode in question: http://www.gamingcx.com/2014/11/gamecenter-cx-episode-180-murderous.html
Posted By: Stiletto

Re: New dumps - 02/19/15 08:21 PM

Originally Posted By ICEknight
Not 100% sure, but I think I've just spotted an undumped and undocumented arcade on a TV show.

In the 180th episode of Game Center CX (around 14:55), Arino plays a game with a label that reads just "Turbo PK", without "Great" at the end or any other words.

I'm not familiar with the known variations of this game, so I don't know if this is actually one of them with a wrong label.


Here's a link to the episode in question: http://www.gamingcx.com/2014/11/gamecenter-cx-episode-180-murderous.html


There are better forums for undumped arcade discussion, heck there's even SDLMAME here at forums.bannister.org.

That said, I guess we'll look into it. At the moment, I'd suggest Diet Go Go Fan as the Undumped wiki's current "expert" on Boram "Turbo PK" games. wink

[EDIT] Added, thanks: http://mamedev.emulab.it/undumped/index.php?title=Turbo_PK
We'll see if it gets debunked or if we find more info. I'd say it's a reasonable assumption that a game only called "Turbo PK" exists. smile
Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 04/18/15 10:19 PM

Not exactly dumps (although there are a few ROMs there), but plenty of hardware reference guides for IBM computers and some others:

http://www.minuszerodegrees.net/
Posted By: ICEknight

Re: New dumps - 05/26/15 02:59 AM

Drx has just dumped and taken pictures of the individual ROMs that included the 2-8-95 prototype build of Chaotix (for the Mega 32X): http://www.hidden-palace.org/chaotix%202-8-95.zip

Source: http://forums.sonicretro.org/index.php?showtopic=33448&pid=826696&st=30&#entry826696
Posted By: r09

Re: New dumps - 08/26/15 09:48 PM

I've recently got my hands on some Sharp X1 tapes that seem to be undumped to this day, or at least generally unavailable. I've recorded them to WAV files and they work perfectly in MAME. More precisely:

- Cannon Ball (Hudson Soft, 1983)
- Ginkou Goutou: Machine Gun Joe vs. the Mafia (Hudson Soft, 1984?)
- El Alamein (Ponyca, 1983)

Now, I'd really like to add them to the X1 software list, since it seems to be the one of the very few organized efforts to catalogue and preserve most old Japanese computer stuff, but I don't know if I should just add the WAV files or convert them to the more common TAP format. The software that does the conversion (PWMCNV) is really, REALLY old and very fussy about the kind of WAV files it accepts. I don't think it's really worth the effort, but if it's needed I can convert the tapes...

Is there a preferred format for tape dumps?
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 08/26/15 10:15 PM

WAV is preferred for cassettes.
Posted By: Kale

Re: New dumps - 08/26/15 10:50 PM

Yeah, adding them as WAV is perfectly fine.
TAP is supported just because most available software is in that format, not because it's that great as a storage system.
Posted By: r09

Re: New dumps - 08/27/15 08:53 AM

Thanks. I've sent a pull request in Github, it's the first time I do it so I hope it's ok.
Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 08/27/15 09:06 PM

I recently finished dumping a sh*tload of original floppies for the IBM PC: Drivers, operating systems, application, a bit of everything.

A list is here, if someone has any interest in the dumps (to start a softlist, to check different MS DOS OEM versions against each other or anything) just PM me and I'll share it

Each ZIP file contains IMG files of the floppy/floppies, raw KF dumps with logs and TIF scans of the floppies (to prove that I didn't just download them from somewhere and claim them as my own crazy )
This is also the reason why I'm not simply uploading everything, as the total size of that directory right now is ~21 gb..
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 08/27/15 09:11 PM

Fantastic, Darkstar. Hopefully someone takes you up on that offer!

I'm a few hundred Apple II floppies behind on softlists there or I'd volunteer ;-)
Posted By: mixmaster

Re: New dumps - 08/27/15 10:04 PM

Originally Posted By R. Belmont
Fantastic, Darkstar. Hopefully someone takes you up on that offer!

I'm a few hundred Apple II floppies behind on softlists there or I'd volunteer ;-)


Check the 4am cracks! They have plenty, including Tink's Adventure, which was undumped for a very loong time.

Some of the cracks have edd files in them aswell, although MESS doesn't emulate copyprotected edd files in any way yet.
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 08/28/15 01:29 AM

4 AM is *exactly* why I'm a few hundred floppies behind smile
Posted By: ssj

Re: New dumps - 08/28/15 01:43 AM

Speaking of Apple II are the following Dunjonquest Expansions still undumped:
Upper Reaches of Apshai (1981) (expansion to Temple of Apshai)
Curse of Ra (1982) (expansion to Temple of Apshai)
Danger in Drindisti (expansion for Hellfire Warrior)

As long as I'm aware they are, would be nice if someone that owns the games could dump the floppies.
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 08/28/15 02:18 AM

I don't know the dumping status on any of those 3, but I'll keep an eye out for them.
Posted By: Lord Nightmare

Re: New dumps - 08/28/15 04:08 AM

Originally Posted By Darkstar
...
Each ZIP file contains IMG files of the floppy/floppies, raw KF dumps with logs and TIF scans of the floppies (to prove that I didn't just download them from somewhere and claim them as my own crazy )
This is also the reason why I'm not simply uploading everything, as the total size of that directory right now is ~21 gb..


I would bulk-convert the tif images to .png, so you get some lossless compression going on. RGB888 tiffs here compress from ~300MB to ~60MB when converted to png, with no quality loss at all.

EDIT: *BUT* if you have bilevel source images (1bpp black/white) such as book scans, schematics, etc, keeping them as .tif with ccitt group4 compression turned on will beat even png in terms of compression. Think '800dpi full page image stored in ~100KB'. This obviously doesn't work for greyscale or color images of any sort, the best that can be done for those is greyscale or color pngs. Documents which used a 2 or 3 ink process (like some DEC manuals and Roland Schematics which have black ink and orange ink), you use 32 or 64 color palletized PNGs.

LN
Posted By: r09

Re: New dumps - 08/28/15 07:09 PM

The new X1 dumps:

http://www.r-09.net/mame/alamein.zip
http://www.r-09.net/mame/cball.zip
http://www.r-09.net/mame/machgjoe.zip

I hope it's ok to post them here, they should be old and obscure enough to not raise any alarms.

I've included a few high resolution photos of each cassette, just in case someone is interested.
Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 08/28/15 07:09 PM

Yeah, I thought about converting the TIFFs as well, but I uploaded the whole bunch to another site that recently started preserving KF flux dumps as well and they wanted TIFF files anyway (so no worries, they are already preserved, should a bomb explode here or something). Each individual floppy (raw dump + TIFF scan) compresses down to around 30 +/- 10 mb and since I have the space I thought "what the heck" and just left them as TIFF smile

They're unedited anyway so when converting them I would also have cropped and rotated them properly and that alone would have taken days ^^

Oh I forgot to mention if someone wants any (original) floppies dumped we could work something out. Also if anyone has boxes of old floppies lying around, before you throw them away send them to me, I'll happily cover any shipping expenses. Same goes for old CDs, no matter what's on them. Only originals though.
Posted By: r09

Re: New dumps - 01/16/16 10:22 AM

More Sharp X1 stuff. There's still an incredible amount of undumped stuff for these computers...

http://www.r-09.net/stuff/Dumps/Sharp X1/fantsian.zip
http://www.r-09.net/stuff/Dumps/Sharp X1/pinball.zip

Fantasian seems to work only on the X1 Turbo drivers, which is weird since the game is supposed to be compatible with the regular X1. I've redumped the cassette a few times, so I'm pretty sure it's some kind of emulation quirk.
Posted By: Anna Wu

Re: New dumps - 01/16/16 01:29 PM

Originally Posted By r09
More Sharp X1 stuff. There's still an incredible amount of undumped stuff for these computers...

http://www.r-09.net/stuff/Dumps/Sharp X1/fantsian.zip
http://www.r-09.net/stuff/Dumps/Sharp X1/pinball.zip

Fantasian seems to work only on the X1 Turbo drivers, which is weird since the game is supposed to be compatible with the regular X1. I've redumped the cassette a few times, so I'm pretty sure it's some kind of emulation quirk.


Thanks a lot. smile

Just a question, exist a way to convert .wav to .tap for X1?
A tool called "tap2wav" exist.
I think the reverse way is much more complex or impossible.
Posted By: r09

Re: New dumps - 01/16/16 04:10 PM

Originally Posted By Anna Wu

Thanks a lot. smile

Just a question, exist a way to convert .wav to .tap for X1?
A tool called "tap2wav" exist.
I think the reverse way is much more complex or impossible.


There's PWMCNV, but it's very old (the EXE only runs under DOS, but the source is included) and very fussy. I've never been able to get it to work consistently.
Posted By: Curt Coder

Re: New dumps - 01/25/16 02:17 PM

C64 KoalaPainter cartridge



I figured the picture of the dumping equipment was more interesting than the actual software contained inside that black blob smile

Constructed a c64 expansion port to 27128 adapter, and had to use an LPT Willem since the ZIF socket in the GQ-4X is just plain crap.
Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 01/30/16 11:44 AM

I found some technical documents, installer disks and an HDD image from the original BeOS on the BeBox (the "hobbit" prototype). Uploaded it here, in case it's not already well-known and old info: *click*
Posted By: Stiletto

Re: New dumps - 01/30/16 02:23 PM

Originally Posted By Darkstar
I found some technical documents, installer disks and an HDD image from the original BeOS on the BeBox (the "hobbit" prototype). Uploaded it here, in case it's not already well-known and old info: *click*


We might have it, there's some Hobbit stuff floating around. I'll check.

It's appreciated anyways smile
Posted By: John Elliott

Re: New dumps - 02/05/16 10:27 PM

I've finally got round to redumping the Amstrad PC2386 BIOS ROMs with a programmer (the previous ones were DEBUG dumps).

They're at https://www.sendspace.com/file/2v819h

As far as I can see, the bottom 16k of each ROM contains the data for the C000 segment, and the top 16k has the data for the F000 segment.
Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 03/05/16 08:19 AM

The SNES Play Station boot ROM has been dumped, see here
http://bsxproj.superfamicom.org/snes/
Posted By: ssj

Re: New dumps - 03/16/16 07:52 PM

Thanks to ksarul we now have dumps for Pyuuta's Superbike and Battlefighter (and a different Mahjong revision) and with this all cart games are finally dumped for this system smile
Posted By: StarshipUK

Re: New dumps - 03/30/16 11:31 PM

Originally Posted By ssj
Thanks to ksarul we now have dumps for Pyuuta's Superbike and Battlefighter (and a different Mahjong revision) and with this all cart games are finally dumped for this system smile


Well done on completing the Pyuuta collection.

Is that "Battlefighter 3D" (Cart 26E)? On my list there is also a potentially unreleased "Battlefigher" as cart 21E. I would also be interested to know about the Mahjong revision. Is this the same cart number or is there a way to tell between the different revision version?
Posted By: ssj

Re: New dumps - 03/31/16 09:00 AM

Yes, it's Battlefighter 3D (26E). The original Battlefighter was never released even though a prototype might exist, but unfortunately as with most Japanese systems from this era (and all the hoarding surrounding them) it's very unlikely that it will ever surface and even more unlikely to ever be dumped.

Regarding the Mahjong revisions we couldn't identify what differs between them unfortunately. Cart numbers are the same.
Posted By: ssj

Re: New dumps - 03/31/16 09:34 AM

Btw this should also interest you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW_vUiPrDes

So it's confirmed the game was released, now if only we could convince the guy to dump it...
Posted By: ICEknight

Re: New dumps - 04/11/16 05:06 AM

A US prototype of F1 Championship Edition (Genesis) has been released by oliverthepig, over at SMS Power:

http://www.smspower.org/forums/16018-CombiningSegaEpromDataToBinSuitableForEmulatorUse

Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 04/11/16 12:19 PM

It's a sign of how fucked up console emulation is that he thinks you need to do anything to raw EPROM dumps to use them in an emulator.
Posted By: Haze

Re: New dumps - 04/11/16 12:27 PM

yeah, can somebody with an account tell him to just post the raw dumps please, we can (and should) add them to the software list as-is.
Posted By: remax

Re: New dumps - 04/11/16 01:15 PM

Originally Posted By Haze
yeah, can somebody with an account tell him to just post the raw dumps please, we can (and should) add them to the software list as-is.


I did, let me know if you think i must change something in my post.
Posted By: Haze

Re: New dumps - 04/13/16 11:35 AM

Ok, added the F1 proto
https://github.com/mamedev/mame/commit/588b3a4afc9f3ae7cba70ec0d69dd77e1ea2a5d7

(feel free to paste that link there in case people are interested in seeing how things get added to the MAME softlists)
Posted By: ICEknight

Re: New dumps - 04/13/16 11:46 AM

Originally Posted By Haze
(feel free to paste that link there in case people are interested in seeing how things get added to the MAME softlists)
Done. smile

Shouldn't it be "USA, prototype" rather than "Euro, Prototype, set 2", by the way?
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 04/13/16 01:20 PM

Here is an interesting little system ... at this Swiss university, a group led by Dr. Nikolaus Wirth of Pascal/Modula 2/Oberon fame built their own computers called the ETH/Diser Lilith along the lines of the Xerox Alto. The project never lifted off commercially, but they used the systems productively in their offices and for education.

http://www.ethistory.ethz.ch/rueckblicke.../popupfriendly/

ftp://ftp.dreesen.ch/Emulith/

Their 32bit machine was called Ceres and used Oberon

http://cpu-ns32k.net/Ceres.html

this last website views the machine from a CPU point of view, and there's a sampling keyboard mentioned that RB might find interesting smile
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 04/13/16 02:41 PM

More interestingly, here's a tested working 32016 core that they've used as the 32016 add-on for a BBC Micro-on-a-FPGA.

https://github.com/hoglet67/PiTubeClient/tree/master/NS32016

Even comes with an opcode test suite.
Posted By: Haze

Re: New dumps - 04/13/16 04:53 PM

Originally Posted By ICEknight
Originally Posted By Haze
(feel free to paste that link there in case people are interested in seeing how things get added to the MAME softlists)
Done. smile

Shouldn't it be "USA, prototype" rather than "Euro, Prototype, set 2", by the way?


Yeah, already changed, I thought it was European since the labels said MegaDrive and the ones next to it were 'Acclaim UK' but the header does indicate US, assuming it can be trusted.
Posted By: StarshipUK

Re: New dumps - 04/24/16 12:03 AM

Originally Posted By ssj
Btw this should also interest you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW_vUiPrDes

So it's confirmed the game was released, now if only we could convince the guy to dump it...


That's good to know. I am not sure why, and if it is something I read that no longer exists, or if I might be thinking of something else, but I am wondering if this game was only sold to subscribers of a special club (or directly via catalogue).
Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 11/08/16 06:43 PM

I found something interesting in a heap of old CDs that I was about to throw out at my workplace:

clicky

It's an ISO with IBM OEM specs for some of their older harddisk drives (it's from 1997). It has some nice internal docs with timing characteristics, timing diagrams, description of some undocumented jumpers, and details on the vendor-specific SCSI commands that the drives support.

Here are 2 sample files for the IBM DGHS (a very common drive at that time):
https://www.docdroid.net/qdMywin
https://www.docdroid.net/cvIqQ5s

I think this might be interesting to some devs (together with the ZIP of some HDD firmware images that I released some time ago)
Posted By: Just Desserts

Re: New dumps - 11/09/16 01:29 AM

For anyone who's allergic to Mega, here's a Dropbox link for Darkstar's ISO: https://www.dropbox.com/s/yhrycsgppd9avh8/IBM_HDD_Specs.zip?dl=1
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 03/08/17 04:45 PM

Found this itsy bitsy inkjet printer hiding in a notebook bag:

[Linked Image]

It claims to be a Nixdorf MD16, but actually seems to be a badge engineered Kodak Diconix 150 (not my video):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-sL5UtqHCA

Kodak Diconx 150 manual

As a stroke of genius, the roller also doubles as a battery compartment with room for 5 C type NiCad cells.

[Linked Image]

While I was there, I dumped the ROM.

Nixdorf MD16 Inkjet printer
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 03/09/17 02:00 PM

uPD78C10 CPU. Those were very popular in printers, it seems (Epson used them too).

Is this the parallel or serial version? The Kodak manual indicates it came in both forms.
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 03/09/17 02:04 PM

It's the parallel one ... the grey cover on the left hides a centronics port.
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 03/09/17 02:24 PM

I had to replace the fuse on the PCB under the logic board ...

[Linked Image]

... after that, the printer turned on.

Now I'm waiting for the delivery of the print head/ink cartouches that are surprisingly still available - as Canon CJ-3A or HP hp 51604a.
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 03/09/17 03:27 PM

Nice! People often give up on stuff that's easy to fix. And since it's Epson compatible it should be easy to find a workable driver for it.
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 03/09/17 03:40 PM

I hope to use it on the MFA smile

According to the source our Epson LX810L driver should be operable ... so if I connect it to, say, the IBM5160 driver, should copying autoexec.bat over to LPT1: work? Or am I missing a step here, like inserting virtual paper or something similar?

[Linked Image]

EDIT: That's the printer's "screen" on the right here, with the printhead cursor on the bottom which moves to this position on startup.
Posted By: Haze

Re: New dumps - 03/09/17 03:51 PM

this thread makes me wonder.. has anybody ever reprogrammed a printer bios as a game, one that will print out scenarios, and use the buttons present on the printer to allow you to select a course of action. I know space is very limited, but some kind of basic 'escape room' adventure running on a printer alone would be kinda cool ;-)

a waste of ink and paper.. but cool
Posted By: robcfg

Re: New dumps - 03/09/17 04:11 PM

On one occasion, the author of the Arnold CPC emulator, sent me a rom for an Amstrad DMP printer, to dump the rom of the MCU and send it to the CPC where it could be read with a basic program, hehe laugh

That said, I posted on the CPCWiki some rom dumps of Amstrad printers, in case they are useful.
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 03/09/17 04:52 PM

@rfka01: the printer defaults to not On Line at startup, I believe. One of the keys will be mapped to the printer's On Line button; pressing that should make sending it stuff work.
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 03/09/17 05:57 PM

Hmmm ... I find those options (O for online, L for line feed, F for form feed and E for load/eject) in the Machine inputs.
Does that mean that they're active at the same time as the keys for the emulated PC (as in p for pause, F12 for screenshot etc.) or do I have to somehow select the printer first to direct the keypresses to its inputs?

Anyway, selecting partial keyboard, pressing "o", then going back to full keyboard and trying to copy something to lpt1 doesn't work.
Posted By: Robbbert

Re: New dumps - 03/09/17 11:55 PM

There's a mametesters bug about the keyboard issue. Point 2 in http://mametesters.org/view.php?id=6320

Afaik none of the emulated printers are working last time I checked, although that may have changed recently.
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 03/10/17 02:20 AM

One of the printers does work, I've gotten it to show workable output from The Print Shop on the Apple II.

There is currently no way to save the output though. You get one sheet of on-screen paper and it just starts over again at the top next time.
Posted By: Richard Bannister

Re: New dumps - 03/10/17 09:14 AM

I'm amused – I had no idea we'd gotten to the point where we were making an effort to emulate old printers.
Posted By: Edstrom

Re: New dumps - 03/10/17 10:28 AM

There are a lot of proprietary effects in printers that could not be replicated on a computer screen of the time. A printer from the 80:ies had both better resolution and in some cases color(s), so I think it is both cool and useful from a preservation perspective. Ideally we should be able to save a bitmap in the printer resolution rather than a screen dump.
Posted By: Edstrom

Re: New dumps - 03/10/17 11:50 AM

For example I did something similar to this on my ZX81: http://www.hanssummers.com/mandelbrot/mandelbrotzx81.html
Posted By: BeckieRGB

Re: New dumps - 03/28/17 07:40 AM

I dumped the ROM of the Wireless 60, a descendant of the Chintendo Vii, a cheap Chinese ripoff of the Wii. This system appears on the dumps wanted list!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/e5dpwr8jhas5h6b/wirels60.zip?dl=0

The ROM runs in Unununium, but without controls or sound:

http://imgur.com/a/NfELF
Posted By: Just Desserts

Re: New dumps - 03/28/17 09:17 AM

Thanks! I'll see about getting it added this weekend when I have more free time, if someone doesn't add it before I do. smile
Posted By: Gilles Ftis

Re: New dumps - 04/01/17 10:36 AM

While trying to dump a keytronic 8048 microcontroler I tested my teensy 804x dumper with another similar 8048. I now have a Videopac G7400 French 1kb image that seems good (found string "quel jeu ?" inside). Was this rom already dumped and tested in MESS ? (it's different from G7400.bin and Jopac.bin found elsewhere).

my keytronic 8048 seems unfortunatly dead (does not go to read mode...)
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 04/01/17 01:04 PM

AFAIK we have no French G7400 BIOS, so that would be nice to have. That's too bad about your Keytronic.
Posted By: Gilles Ftis

Re: New dumps - 04/01/17 06:38 PM

My dump is here but I'm not 100% sure it is functional since it fails if I replace g7400.bin with this file.

http://alternative-system.com/files/dump_videopac_plus.bin
Posted By: Lord Nightmare

Re: New dumps - 04/03/17 02:18 AM

Originally Posted by Gilles F�tis
While trying to dump a keytronic 8048 microcontroler I tested my teensy 804x dumper with another similar 8048. I now have a Videopac G7400 French 1kb image that seems good (found string "quel jeu ?" inside). Was this rom already dumped and tested in MESS ? (it's different from G7400.bin and Jopac.bin found elsewhere).

my keytronic 8048 seems unfortunatly dead (does not go to read mode...)


Remember to use the exact correct type of 8048 when dumping as 8748, DO NOT dump most 8048 chips as '8748', instead use '87c49' or similar, since eprom 8748 required a very high voltage for read mode which may blow up many 8048 chips, or permanently protect them by burning the /EA pin out!

plain 8748 uses 18 or 21VDC on /EA for read mode, while 87c49 uses 12v and seems quite a bit safer in that regard, i.e. dumping 8048 as 87c49. using a current-limiting resistor is also probably not a bad idea.

LN
Posted By: Gilles Ftis

Re: New dumps - 04/03/17 07:23 AM

I do not dump with my eprom reader here (because my lpt willem is dead and usb willem do not support MCS48).
I dump with an avr and a 12V power supply on EA (with a resistor).
(in fact I also needed a real +5V power supply because my usb ports are more 4.7v than 5v... and this 8048H does not start at 4.7V)

http://www.precise-data.fr/index.php/blog/3-tuto/14-dump8049 (this one was for an hanimex HMG7900 cartridge and an apple keyboard).
Posted By: BeckieRGB

Re: New dumps - 04/03/17 04:09 PM

Here is my patch to Unununium to add support for the Wireless 60:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/33wec2btcieaht5/board-W60.zip?dl=0

MAME's u'nSP emulation is based on Unununium so that should be useful if someone gets to it before me. smile
Posted By: Lord Nightmare

Re: New dumps - 04/03/17 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by Gilles F�tis
I do not dump with my eprom reader here (because my lpt willem is dead and usb willem do not support MCS48).
I dump with an avr and a 12V power supply on EA (with a resistor).
(in fact I also needed a real +5V power supply because my usb ports are more 4.7v than 5v... and this 8048H does not start at 4.7V)

http://www.precise-data.fr/index.php/blog/3-tuto/14-dump8049 (this one was for an hanimex HMG7900 cartridge and an apple keyboard).



You're doing everything right! keep going!

LN
Posted By: BeckieRGB

Re: New dumps - 04/13/17 07:01 AM

I've made a disk image of the Micro SD card from the Lexibook TV Game Console, another Wii ripoff:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xn7q9q5fkrbj5rq/lexibook.zip?dl=0

The Micro SD card is formatted as standard FAT32. The system appears to run a rudimentary OS that likes to pretend it's based on Windows. According to the ELF headers of the executable files, the processor is a Sunplus S+core7, the one used in the Mattel HyperScan. AFAIK there are no working emulators for any S+core-based systems, so I can't attempt to load the disk image on anything.

The only other major component on the PCB besides the epoxy blob is an SDRAM chip, so there is no BIOS chip I can dump. The system will play an animation and an audio loop when the card is not inserted, so there must be some sort of BIOS, possibly under the epoxy blob, but I'm not equipped to go looking for it.
Posted By: Haze

Re: New dumps - 04/13/17 09:34 AM

is the machine of value to you? Team Europe have had some success in working out how to dump certain 'blob' based things, although it's sometimes a destructive process with certain risks attached (eg. xraying it to see if there are easy to figure out external connections)

without the bios I imagine it won't be possible to get it going.
Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 04/13/17 12:48 PM

These things apparently cost only around 30€, I'd be more than willing to donate towards having them dumped and possibly destroyed smile
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 04/13/17 01:32 PM

I think blobs are probably the next frontier of dumping now that decaps are nearly commonplace (or at least in the TMS1000 thread they are).

Beckie: we appreciate the dumps, and I'm a big fan of your retro fonts. I use the Apple II ones to give 4AM's readmes the correct look smile
Posted By: BeckieRGB

Re: New dumps - 04/13/17 01:59 PM

I'm not attached to this thing at all, so I'd be happy to send it on. I can probably fit the internals (and the two controllers? would they be useful?) in a bubble mailer to cut down on shipping costs.

Thanks for the compliments!
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 04/19/17 09:36 PM

I found some misc. Eproms lying around:

Sanyo MBC-28, a 386SX machine according to this page:

http://www.cc-computerarchiv.de/CC-Archiv/bc-alt/gb-san/gb-san-12_91.html

Adaptec 1542B

These are the original ROMs my 1542B came with before I upgraded it with a newer version found on (IIRC) the Adaptec bulletin board (I'm old, I know). grin
Posted By: ssj

Re: New dumps - 04/27/17 10:13 AM

Is there any experienced dumper at the Chicago area? We might have a chance of dumping the impossible to find 3D Attack for Arcadia 2001, but the owner doesn't want to risk shipping it due to how rare (and valuable) the game is. This is the last undumped game for the system.
Posted By: Just Desserts

Re: New dumps - 04/27/17 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by ssj
Is there any experienced dumper at the Chicago area? We might have a chance of dumping the impossible to find 3D Attack for Arcadia 2001, but the owner doesn't want to risk shipping it due to how rare (and valuable) the game is. This is the last undumped game for the system.


What kind of ROM chips are in the game? Socketed? Will they need desoldering? I hope you, and the owner, realize that to dump it, the ROMs would have to be pulled off the board, read in a ROM programmer, and then put back on the board.
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 04/27/17 02:44 PM

Or someone with an Arduino or similar could wire something up to the chip or cartridge pins, like the VT340 dumper did.
Posted By: ssj

Re: New dumps - 04/27/17 06:06 PM

What RB said, actually a simple adapter that plugs the cart pins to an EPROM reader might work this is actually how we got the last Pyuuta games dumped, Klaus made such an adapter and we shipped it to the game's owner so he could dump them by himself.

I believe the chip is soldered to the PCB (and desoldering would be a no go), now I don't own any Arcadia game nor I ever looked to the insides of one, but it does seem so:
http://www.digitpress.com/the_digs/arcadia/gallery.htm

To make things worse this one is actually an Italian exclusive release by Leonardo, but I'm pretty sure it's fully compatible with the Emerson family. Anyway I'm interested enough on getting this one dumped that I'm willing to buy a couple of Arcadia games to have it figured out.
Posted By: BeckieRGB

Re: New dumps - 04/30/17 12:41 AM

It took me weeks of several attempts, but I finally got a clean dump of the ROM for the dreamGEAR My Arcade Portable Gaming System. This is the first version, DGUN-2561, released in 2012, with 140 Jungletac games. (There is a later version, DGUN-2573, with 220 Nice Code Software games, but it was released in 2016 and is still in stores, so I'm not going to release ROMs for that version.)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/spo6fnz2gl4puz1/dgun2561.zip?dl=0

Unfortunately I cannot figure out what CPU this machine uses. It does not appear to be u'nSP, VT03, VT09, or GBA based, which are the usual platforms for Jungletac games. (I've tried running the ROM in Unununium, VTEmu, and Boycott Advance, both as dumped [little-endian] and with reversed endianness [big-endian], and no combination worked.)
Posted By: BeckieRGB

Re: New dumps - 05/06/17 02:22 AM

Here's another relative of the Chintendo Vii, the Zone 60:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5detj1ebituu2ry/zone60.zip?dl=0

It's exactly like the Wireless 60 but has a slightly different menu and slightly different games. It runs in Unununium (and will soon run in MAME smile ) with my Wireless 60 driver.
Posted By: mixmaster

Re: New dumps - 05/06/17 04:43 AM

At a glance in a disassembly, the DGUN-2561 does appear to be 6502-based.... maybe it's VT369?
Posted By: BeckieRGB

Re: New dumps - 05/06/17 06:25 AM

Do you have any information on the VT369? All I can find is flights for Air Tahiti and auto parts. :P EmuVT has options for VT168 and VT268, which I did try, but no option for any higher numbers.
Posted By: mixmaster

Re: New dumps - 05/06/17 09:00 AM

From what I can recall, it's just the VT03, an unknown VTxx chip, and the VT168 mashed up together. How it switches between the hardware modes is any guess.

It would be hard and not worth the time to get VT clones working in MAME quite yet, since the emulation for almost everything in the NES hardware is a pita at the moment? Especially when it comes to the PPU, which such an odd beast for a video device that would require actual clock timing instead of simply passing "0" for a clock rate and expecting a unrealistic timer to do all works. Everything we have implemented so far was based on pea-sized knowledge from 2004. I'd rather say to focus on the basics before doing anything else.

In addition to that, the released documents for the first couple of chips already appeared to have been poorly translated into English, although the original Chinese documents are available if someone who can read Chinese at all wants to take notes.
Posted By: Haze

Re: New dumps - 05/06/17 10:10 AM

those enhanced clones are going to be interesting anyway because some of them clearly don't implement the NES timings properly, so if they're built on top of a PPU core the PPU core is going to have to be flexible enough to support 'broken' timing modes too.

(I have one of those 'mini arcade' units and there are quite a few games that exhibit timing glitches and what look like other PPU flaws)

I'm actually fairly interested in them, but it's probably a field that would take more time to research than I would feel like dedicating to it.

On a similar note I'd love to get to the bottom of those 'Taito Nostalgia' units too (one is in MAME) and know if there's an internal rom in the blob, or even if the external rom dump we have is good (I'm not sure anybody tried putting it on another chip and checking if things still work) We haven't properly identified a CPU or where those boot from yet. There was at one point a suggestion that they were snes-like in terms of the CPU.
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 05/06/17 01:32 PM

Sorry I didn't look until now, but the DGUN-2561 definitely has 6502 code for NES-like hardware (it stores a lot to 40xx).

Taito Nostalgia is definitely either 65816 or M377xx, I'll see if I can map the ROM better.
Posted By: Haze

Re: New dumps - 05/06/17 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by R. Belmont
Sorry I didn't look until now, but the DGUN-2561 definitely has 6502 code for NES-like hardware (it stores a lot to 40xx).

Taito Nostalgia is definitely either 65816 or M377xx, I'll see if I can map the ROM better.


well if you can get it running something that looks reasonable it's definitely something I'd be interested in seeing if I can figure out the video etc. for.

I'm always interested in seeing what these companies did with their IP, or in some cases, what others did with it.

These kind of things are more likely to be forgotten as the years go by because they're pretty much novelty items too.
Posted By: BeckieRGB

Re: New dumps - 05/06/17 06:29 PM

I now have a dump of another system similar to the DGUN-2561, the Lexibook Compact Cyber Arcade. It may even be exactly the same except for the Lexibook logo that appears when turning it on.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/9wzo720sjfwyhvf/lexcyber.zip?dl=0

Still can't get it to run in EmuVT though.
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 05/06/17 07:45 PM

The Lexibook is definitely not 6502, and in fact the entire dump looks like graphics data to me, but that's unlikely.

Boy are they trying to make people think it's Lexmark with that font though smile
Posted By: Lord Nightmare

Re: New dumps - 05/07/17 01:20 AM

Could it be that sunplus/generalplus 6502 variant where they reversed the order of 5(?) of the opcode bits by dicking around with the opcode pla, but it is otherwise 65(c?)02 compatible?

I think natashenka found it was used in one of the later tamagotchi variants, with little figurines?

LN
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 05/07/17 01:57 AM

Back to Taito Nostalgia: I'm starting to strongly suspect it's a slightly custom 8-bit 6502 derivative because there's no instances of cross-bank loads/stores, no phk/plb pattern, no RTL instructions, and no XCE anywhere to switch 8/16 bit modes. It's not Mitsu M740, and not any of the GeneralPlus/SunPlus stuff I know about.

The major thing is that opcode 0x22 must have 3 operand bytes, as it does on the 65816. On GP/SP chips 0x22 is a CPY (byte), on M740 it's JSR special page (which only takes a byte as well).
Posted By: BeckieRGB

Re: New dumps - 05/08/17 04:46 PM

Here's another system I believe is VT-based, the Intec InterAct. There does not appear to be a BIOS since the system does not do anything when powered on without a cartridge, of which there are two that I have dumped to the best of my ability:

8 in 1: https://www.dropbox.com/s/hu5wq6aq8qso7bb/ii8in1.zip?dl=0
32 in 1: https://www.dropbox.com/s/cudc30x7kn2n7pi/ii32in1.zip?dl=0

The 8 in 1 contains the interesting string "WISE@DJJUNGLE.COM V1.0" several times. The 32 in 1 is the one with the game that ProJared christened "Pixie Princess Dandelion... OF THE DEATH KNELL!" The cartridge pinout is very similar to the Famicom, but with a single "OneBus" bus instead of separate PRG and CHR busses (the pins used for the CHR bus become the upper half of the OneBus), and the more exotic pins (IRQ, CIRAM, audio, M2, etc.) not connected to anything.
Posted By: Haze

Re: New dumps - 05/08/17 04:52 PM

wow, that looks awful, watching the video, the title screen on the Football game seems to be ripped straight from one of the NeoGeo Super Sidekicks games (Ultimate 11, the 4th one) :-p

The Racing game steals the title screen from thrash rally, another NeoGeo game, plus I think the Golf on traces one of the Neo Turf Masters characters (or straight rips it from somewhere else)
Posted By: Haze

Re: New dumps - 05/08/17 06:28 PM

fwiw these seem to have boot vectors at xxx7fff0 - xxx7ffff addresses across the rom at various points

eg
Code
Offset(h) 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F

0077FFE0  EA EA EA EA EA EA EA EA EA EA EA EA EA EA EA EA  êêêêêêêêêêêêêêêê
0077FFF0  EA EA B8 E1 B8 E1 B8 E1 B8 E1 17 E1 00 E0 B8 E1  êê¸á¸á¸á¸á.á.à¸á

or at least I assume they are vectors

*edit* the lexcyber seems to have similar, although only 3 of them are ever set for any block to me that does suggest some kind of 6502 ?

Code
Offset(h) 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F

0087FFE0  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................
0087FFF0  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 04 FC 36 FB A4 FC  ...........ü6û¤ü


these would be vectors FCA4, FB36 and FC04 right? for IRQ, RESET, NMI

Similar in other places

Code

Offset(h) 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F

0037FFE0  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................
0037FFF0  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 7B DC 9E EC 33 ED  ..........{Üžì3í

Offset(h) 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F

0047FFE0  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................
0047FFF0  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 EC FA 68 F9 8C FB  ..........ìúhùŒû

Offset(h) 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F

0057FFE0  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................
0057FFF0  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 E6 FA 62 F9 86 FB  ..........æúbù†û

Offset(h) 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F

0067FFE0  8D 05 20 A5 20 8D 00 20 A5 21 8D 01 20 60 00 00  .. ¥ .. ¥!.. `..
0067FFF0  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0B FF 2B FE B1 FF  ...........ÿ+þ±ÿ

Offset(h) 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F

0077FFE0  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................
0077FFF0  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 A8 FC D7 FB 48 FD  ..........¨ü×ûHý

Offset(h) 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F

0087FFE0  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................
0087FFF0  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 04 FC 36 FB A4 FC  ...........ü6û¤ü

Offset(h) 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F

0107FFE0  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................
0107FFF0  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 CD F7 5F F8 AA F7  ..........Í÷_øª÷

Offset(h) 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F

0187FFE0  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................
0187FFF0  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C9 F7 5B F8 A6 F7  ..........É÷[ø¦÷

Offset(h) 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F

0207FFE0  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................
0207FFF0  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 46 F8 D8 F8 23 F8  ..........FøØø#ø



end of some xxx3fff0 and xxx1fff0 and xxx0fff0 too so it's probably just heavily banked...

Code
Offset(h) 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F

0090FFE0  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................
0090FFF0  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 29 FC 5B FB C9 FC  ..........)ü[ûÉü

0051FFE0  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................
0051FFF0  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 A8 FC D7 FB 48 FD  ..........¨ü×ûHý

0033FFE0  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................
0033FFF0  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 A3 E0 00 E0 B1 E0  ..........£à.à±à


in the case of 0x33fff0 there is a block starting at 33e000 it appears to point to

Code
Offset(h) 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F

0033E000  D8 78 A2 FF 9A A9 00 8D 00 20 8D 01 20 A2 02 AD  Øx¢ÿš©... .. ¢..
0033E010  02 20 10 FB AD 02 20 30 FB CA D0 F3 A9 C0 8D 17  . .û.. 0ûÊÐó©À..
0033E020  40 AD 02 20 A9 00 8D 05 20 8D 05 20 A2 00 A9 00  @.. ©... .. ¢.©.
0033E030  95 00 9D 00 02 9D 00 03 9D 00 04 9D 00 05 9D 00  •...............
0033E040  06 9D 00 07 E8 E0 00 D0 E7 AD FD 01 85 2C AD FE  ....èà.Ðç.ý.…,.þ
0033E050  01 85 2D AD FF 01 85 2E A9 5E 8D 10 20 A9 00 85  .…-.ÿ.….©^.. ©.…


which would disassemble to the following (which looks code-like to me) so yeah the lexcyber thing is probably a 6502 variant as are the others?

Code
E000   D8         CLD
E001   78         SEI
E002   A2 FF      LDX #$FF
E004   9A         TXS
E005   A9 00      LDA #$00
E007   8D 00 20   STA $2000
E00A   8D 01 20   STA $2001
E00D   A2 02      LDX #$02
E00F   AD 02 20   LDA $2002
E012   10 FB      BPL $E00F
E014   AD 02 20   LDA $2002
E017   30 FB      BMI $E014
E019   CA         DEX
E01A   D0 F3      BNE $E00F
E01C   A9 C0      LDA #$C0
E01E   8D 17 40   STA $4017
E021   AD 02 20   LDA $2002
E024   A9 00      LDA #$00
E026   8D 05 20   STA $2005
E029   8D 05 20   STA $2005
E02C   A2 00      LDX #$00
E02E   A9 00      LDA #$00
E030   95 00      STA $00,X
E032   9D 00 02   STA $0200,X
E035   9D 00 03   STA $0300,X
E038   9D 00 04   STA $0400,X
E03B   9D 00 05   STA $0500,X
E03E   9D 00 06   STA $0600,X
E041   9D 00 07   STA $0700,X
E044   E8         INX
E045   E0 00      CPX #$00
E047   D0 E7      BNE $E030
E049   AD FD 01   LDA $01FD
E04C   85 2C      STA $2C
E04E   AD FE 01   LDA $01FE
E051   85 2D      STA $2D
E053   AD FF 01   LDA $01FF
E056   85 2E      STA $2E
E058   A9 5E      LDA #$5E
E05A   8D 10 20   STA $2010
E05D   A9 00      LDA #$00
E05F   85 00      STA $00


of course none of this tells us if there is a bios, or if it boots straight from one of these program banks, just that there are program banks with valid vectors and code.
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 05/08/17 06:58 PM

D8 78 A2 FF 9A A9 00 8D 00 20 8D 01 20 A2 02 AD 02 20 =>
CLD
SEI
LDX #$FF
TXS
LDA #$00
STA $2000
STA $2001
LDX #$02
LDA $2002

Yeah, that's 6502 boot code.

Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 05/08/17 07:00 PM

$2002 bit 7 is VBlank on NES, so the BPL/BMI waits for 2 frames to continue.
Posted By: Haze

Re: New dumps - 05/08/17 07:02 PM

for now I imagine it would be easier to start a new driver for these rather than work it into the nes code, since the video and sound capabilities really aren't going to fit in the cores we have.

assuming the dumps are good / complete I guess the reason they don't run in the other emulator is because the rest of the hardware changed, eg. different video capabilities, different banking schemes etc. as they just built hack up on hack over the basic NES design.

it's similar to what we've seen with some Korean arcade games, but taken to extreme levels with worse base hardware. (those usually clone 68k based systems but give them 8bpp hardware where there was 4bpp hardware and drop proper sound chips for basic sample-based ones which is generally simple enough to deal with.. these banked-from-hell NES things look horrible)


Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 05/08/17 07:21 PM

Do we know what the video and sound capabilities of these things are?
Posted By: Haze

Re: New dumps - 05/08/17 07:31 PM

definitely has 4bpp tiles, maybe even 8bpp on these models (that alone could be why EmuVT can't run them?)

I've heard nothing but crappy looped samples for sound, so might just be some DAC or crap sample playback hardware.

some of the more recent ones look like they might add more scrolling layers.

the thing I own (which I'm guessing is some version of the same tech) also has a bunch of NES games on it, so it is somewhat backwards compatible too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWLdOoJ-4xg

also, is it still true that only EmuVT, a closed source hack of Nester, runs any of these? with all the NES emus out there nobody else has bothered? or is that info out of date.
Posted By: ssj

Re: New dumps - 05/10/17 03:53 AM

A big lot of Gundam RX-78 stuff just popped up, we are trying to do a collective effort to buy it and then dump everything so if anyone is interested on chipping in please let me know. This will undoubtedly be pretty expensive (probably $500+) already have 3 backers, but won't be enough and any extra help will be appreciated. There are around 2 days left so not much time either.

This is one system that doesn't have anything preserved yet other than a basic cart and due to its rarity it's very unlikely that there will be another possibility of buying so many games at one go (This is around 10 games), it does come with the actual machine which will make the whole thing much more expensive of course, but it will be worthwhile as I haven't seem anything RX-78 related to appear since quite some time.
Posted By: F1ReB4LL

Re: New dumps - 05/13/17 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by ssj
This is one system that doesn't have anything preserved yet other than a basic cart

http://takeda-toshiya.my.coocan.jp/rx78/index.html -- this guy doesn't share, I guess?

Originally Posted by ssj
but it will be worthwhile as I haven't seem anything RX-78 related to appear since quite some time.

They do appear, but are quite expensive. For example, Perfect Mahjong is available right now, but it costs 6500 yen.
Posted By: ssj

Re: New dumps - 05/14/17 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by F1ReB4LL
http://takeda-toshiya.my.coocan.jp/rx78/index.html -- this guy doesn't share, I guess?

nope that's not going to happen unfortunately.

We didn't win the auction, as usual some deep pocket Japanese collector bought the whole lot for around $1,500... and there goes a unique chance on preserving this system.

Originally Posted by F1ReB4LL
They do appear, but are quite expensive. For example, Perfect Mahjong is available right now, but it costs 6500 yen.

I'm aware, but that's overpriced for that particular game also it's not clear if it's boxed or not (if it's boxed it won't be too bad). We did buy the Golf game so at least that one should get dumped soonish.
Posted By: BeckieRGB

Re: New dumps - 05/21/17 09:06 AM

I now have a dump of the Flash ROM from the sequel to the Wireless 60, the Wireless Air 60 (this one also appears on the MESS wanted dumps list):

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kcseun7qgexi0mc/wlsair60.zip?dl=0

The ROM is NAND Flash, and there is a RAM chip on board as well, so the Flash ROM contents must be copied into RAM somehow, which means a BIOS hiding under an epoxy blob. frown

I noticed the string 'PGandnandn' at the beginning; in reversed-endianness, this is 'GPnandnand'; GP would be General Plus, which is Sunplus by another name. (I'm sure the dump has the correct endianness judging by the other interesting strings I found, like 'SP_ToneMaker' and 'GLB_GP-FS1_0405L_SPU_1.0.2.3'.)
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 05/21/17 02:43 PM

A lot of newer MCUs can boot off of flash; they have a bit of logic to copy some fixed amount to RAM and boot. So there may not necessarily be a BIOS.
Posted By: mixmaster

Re: New dumps - 05/21/17 02:51 PM

"GPnandnand" as a required signature appears to be referenced right here, in page 19 of a GeneralPlus document;
http://www.lcis.com.tw/paper_store/...07AV10_code_reference-20147131205102.pdf
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 05/21/17 11:50 PM

Nice find!
Posted By: Olivier Galibert

Re: New dumps - 05/22/17 06:37 AM

Yeah, definitely not a bios but an internal on-die bootstrap rom instead. Wonder if it's trojanable.

OG.
Posted By: BeckieRGB

Re: New dumps - 05/23/17 04:21 PM

This one gave me lots of trouble: ripped off pads meant soldering to traces, poor contact with the adapter meant having to apply pressure with a vice (would have been easier with a C-clamp but I don't have one), loads of errors meant making dozens of dumps, only being able to find one of these things (besides one on Amazon from a seller with a 0% rating) meant having to work with what I had. But I got it: the dreamGEAR Wireless Motion Control with 130 games, model DGUN-2500. This is the one that includes Curly Monkey 2. smile

https://www.dropbox.com/s/g5e2b2zt58yxr8x/dgun2500.zip?dl=0
Posted By: Haze

Re: New dumps - 05/23/17 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by BeckieRGB
This one gave me lots of trouble: ripped off pads meant soldering to traces, poor contact with the adapter meant having to apply pressure with a vice (would have been easier with a C-clamp but I don't have one), loads of errors meant making dozens of dumps, only being able to find one of these things (besides one on Amazon from a seller with a 0% rating) meant having to work with what I had. But I got it: the dreamGEAR Wireless Motion Control with 130 games, model DGUN-2500. This is the one that includes Curly Monkey 2. smile

https://www.dropbox.com/s/g5e2b2zt58yxr8x/dgun2500.zip?dl=0



yeah, that one also looks NES / VTxx based
Posted By: Haze

Re: New dumps - 05/23/17 05:03 PM

btw how are you verifying these, for example, DGUN-2500 has identical data in each half of the rom (so it's 16MB repeated twice) that could indicate a dumping error (highest address line not connected) if you're sure the size is 32MB.
Posted By: mixmaster

Re: New dumps - 05/23/17 08:38 PM

I can't even test the dump well in EmuVT. For some reason, all of the Nice Code games mess with the emulator and cause it to do something to the sprites to the point where sprite updates are shown per 4 seconds while CHR updates are still shown per frame.

The games are all still active and running PPU VBLANK and MMC3 IRQ interrupts correctly, just that the PPU emulation... sort of... gave up. In addition to that, the nametables start to blank out at random times. Ignoring all the graphical issues, I can play the games correctly, and none of them seem to crash so far. (ex: Kong appears to load level data into RAM and scroll correctly, which means that scroll updates appear to work fine under this chaotic bug.)

Is this really a bad dump, or did VR Technology do a poor job? FYI, this was in EmuVT's VT03 mode, since the console appears to be designated towards VT03 hardware.
Posted By: Haze

Re: New dumps - 05/23/17 08:51 PM

I wouldn't count on EmuVT being in any way complete, it just seems like a leaked hack?

What I'm hoping to do with MAME is give the option for people to work with the codebase and look into some of these extensions in an open project, not a closed source one relying on stolen code.

It's a little bit ugly by nature, but hopefully by pushing things forward a bit more people can get involved in trying to emulate these properly...
Posted By: mixmaster

Re: New dumps - 05/23/17 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by Haze
I wouldn't count on EmuVT being in any way complete, it just seems like a leaked hack?

It's not leaked, you can find it right here on search: http://www.vrt.com.tw/download.htm

(so much with the misversioning by the way, it says "EmuVT 1.36" on their site while the binary is actually 1.43!)
Posted By: Haze

Re: New dumps - 05/23/17 08:58 PM

ah ok, well, it's still a nester hack where half the functionality doesn't seem to work anyway ;-)

it would be more useful to try to move forward.
Posted By: BeckieRGB

Re: New dumps - 05/24/17 04:38 AM

Unless there's an internal checksum like in the Zone 60 and Wireless 60 ROMs, basically the only verification I can do is comparing multiple dumps (usually somewhere between 8 and 26 of them). IME if an address line isn't connected, it floats and I just get garbage, and this happened on my first attempts at dumping this thing when A21 wasn't connected but not the last one when I clamped it down. I'm trying another round of dumps; I've double- and triple-checked my connections so I'm fairly certain if I get the same result that it's actually 16MB repeated. :P
Posted By: Just Desserts

Re: New dumps - 05/24/17 06:52 AM

Not to doubt your skillset, but you said it yourself, "when I clamped it down". That would seem to indicate you have A21 tied low. What if you treat it as a proper address line rather than tying it high or low?
Posted By: Vas Crabb

Re: New dumps - 05/24/17 08:02 AM

No, in this case it refers to clamping it down with a physical vice to hold the temperamental connection in place.
Posted By: Haze

Re: New dumps - 05/24/17 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by BeckieRGB
Unless there's an internal checksum like in the Zone 60 and Wireless 60 ROMs, basically the only verification I can do is comparing multiple dumps (usually somewhere between 8 and 26 of them). IME if an address line isn't connected, it floats and I just get garbage, and this happened on my first attempts at dumping this thing when A21 wasn't connected but not the last one when I clamped it down. I'm trying another round of dumps; I've double- and triple-checked my connections so I'm fairly certain if I get the same result that it's actually 16MB repeated. :P


ok, since this one does run in EmuVT to a degree it's probably ok anyway.

just need to be careful with them, I wouldn't put it past them doing some ugly tricks to squeeze the extra capability out of the nes-like hardware, I'm looking at a dump from elsewhere that's meant to be a VT09 based thing and I can't actually find the other 4bpp of graphics for the 8bpp mode at the moment for example. Also due to the number of games etc. in them there are many cases where people have dumped multigames in the past only to miss the data for some of the games, that's why I'm on the slightly more paranoid side of the fence with them and wanted to establish how you were doing things.

if these are custom chinese mask roms etc.it might be worth documenting your findings on the pinouts etc. you used for future reference.
Posted By: BeckieRGB

Re: New dumps - 05/25/17 12:25 AM

I've done another round of dumps and I got the same result, so I'm calling it actually 16MB unless they pulled a nasty trick like replacing #CE with another address line or something. :P Not saying it's impossible I could have missed something though.

Most of these aren't mask ROMs but no-name BGA EEPROMs on a thin PCB with castellated vias matching a SOP44 package, sometimes with additional address lines on top. I actually found a pinout someone else did:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/begin...ded/?action=dlattach;attach=276548;image

In most cases the pins labelled WE# and A22 in that diagram have turned out to be A22 and A23; in only one case they turned out to be A23 and A22. (There are usually silkscreen labels where there are contact points for A23 and above, so it's usually easy to find out which one it is.) If it isn't a thin PCB, it's usually a NOR or NAND Flash chip that I can actually find a datasheet for. In only two cases so far have I been unable to find any information at all: the VG Pocket Tablet has a chip labelled W321TG and the VG Pocket Caplet has a chip labelled BSIC M6MLT947.
Posted By: BeckieRGB

Re: New dumps - 05/25/17 02:28 AM

Actually, on a whim I decided to hook up the W321TG chip to my Xeltek programmer, choose the closest device it supported (MX29LW321TT), ignore the device ID warnings, and just dump it. I got a 4MB file, and here's the kicker, it runs in EmuVT!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4s0dxwrbmt3kpbx/vgtablet.zip?dl=0

Didn't have similar luck with the M6MLT947 though.
Posted By: AJR

Re: New dumps - 05/25/17 04:53 AM

M6MLT947 sounds like a Mitsubishi part number; the prefix is known to have been used for some Flash/SRAM multi-chip packages.
Posted By: mixmaster

Re: New dumps - 05/25/17 05:28 AM

Hmm... this "VG Tablet" dump appears to be suited for at least a different custom variation of the VT03? Most of the games crash in regular VT03 mode, besides VT03_HR, VT09_TV and VT09_LCD within EmuVT 1.43 despite not using anything special. I'm sure Haze can figure this out for MAME...

In addition, some pixels don't appear to have their palette format decoded properly with this dump in the same former emulator, implying there's crazy palette logic going on that's different from the VT03 standard that needs investigation (swapped internal color maps, perhaps? looks like it.)
Posted By: Haze

Re: New dumps - 05/26/17 02:35 PM

the VT03 docs mention that you shouldn't use palette DMA in NTSC mode, but apparently you could anyway if you adjust things slightly, so maybe something like that.

but it could just be there are more modes / variations on how things were hooked up

I haven't looked yet.
Posted By: Lord Nightmare

Re: New dumps - 05/28/17 06:12 PM

A while ago, rfka01 sent me the WD1001-05 controller from a DMV machine, and I just recently desoldered and dumped the PROMs from it:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/13uk7qd5hgohpza/Western%20Digital%20WD1001-05%20Rev%20A11.zip?dl=0

LN
Posted By: BeckieRGB

Re: New dumps - 05/30/17 07:55 PM

Here is another VT-based handheld, the Game Prince RS-1:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/noa4jyuiq3li2x7/gprnrs1.zip?dl=0
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 05/31/17 10:23 PM

Not yet dumped ... I probably need help with this if there's interest in emulating this one:

Got a Sharp Fontwriter FW-700 really cheap and hoped it might have a nice socketed ROM that would be easily dumpable ...

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

Turns out, this is really a nice, solid machine with an easily readable 640x400 mono (blue on white) LCD screen and well designed word processing software.
Texts are saved in a proprietary format on FAT formatted 720K DD 3.5" floppy disks, the software can supposedly also import/export WordPerfect files.

The innards are accessed by removing the bottom lid of the machine, everything is accessible, but unfortunately SMD soldered.

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

The chips, starting top left and going clockwise:

Sharp LH5370PD
HM514260CJ8 = 262,144 word*16 bit DRAM
NEC 72068GF = Floppy Controller
Sharp SC65651GDO95
Mitsubishi M37720S1AFP C604100 = 16bit Microcontroller MELPS 7700 series

Some strange beasts there ...

Other Sharp LH53xx parts are ROM, so I assume the top left chip is the machine's ROM - unless some of it is hiding inside the Microcontroller - I couldn't find a defintiive datasheet on this precise part.
If someone wants a go at dumping the FW-700's ROM, give me a shout and we can work out how I can send the board to you - Germany or Europe would be easiest.
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 06/01/17 12:06 AM

M37720 is their extended 65816, also seen in a bunch of Namco games, so if this does get dumped I'd be happy to check it out.

Bitsavers has several years of Mitsubishi microcontroller data books so we can get lots of info on MELPS parts there.
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 06/01/17 07:44 AM

Good call, RB! It's in their 1991 data book on page 2-86, and it's a ROMless 16MHz part.

http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/...hi_Single-Chip_16-Bit_Microcomputers.pdf

I got the original floppy disk with the machine, but of course they had used it as their main data floppy. I can't be sure what the original state was, but was able to restore two files that are critical for the self demonstration mode. I'll have to make sure none of the - at times very personal - data remains in the deleted sectors before posting that ...
Posted By: BeckieRGB

Re: New dumps - 06/06/17 04:57 AM

Finally was able to dump the predecessor to the Zone 60, the Zone 40:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1c9liddw8if0ct2/zone40.zip?dl=0

I thought it would be u'nSP-based like the Zone 60 and Wireless 60, but it won't run in Unununium, so I don't know what to do with it.
Posted By: Haze

Re: New dumps - 06/06/17 07:56 AM

looks like it might be encrypted

aside from the first 0x8000 block which is all 0x00 the rest of the 'empty' space is filled with either

0x88, 0xbb
or
0x77, 0x44

so if you you either of those patterns as a xor mask you convert those blank areas to 0xff or 0x00 which seems more reasonable, although would need to check if there's any bitswap too.

could of course be done like that to throw people off too.

bit weird the first 0x8000 is just 0x00 tho.
Posted By: Haze

Re: New dumps - 06/06/17 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by Haze
looks like it might be encrypted

aside from the first 0x8000 block which is all 0x00 the rest of the 'empty' space is filled with either

0x88, 0xbb
or
0x77, 0x44

so if you you either of those patterns as a xor mask you convert those blank areas to 0xff or 0x00 which seems more reasonable, although would need to check if there's any bitswap too.

could of course be done like that to throw people off too.

bit weird the first 0x8000 is just 0x00 tho.


although even if you apply such decryptions there are no vectors in the first area of the rom (0x1ffee)

there do appear to be some vectors, starting after that, starting at 0x21ffee and repeating every(?) 0x200000 after that, but that would give a bank size of 0x200000 and mean the initial bank can't be 0.

unfortunately even if you try using a higher bank, the code isn't valid, so there's probably bitswapping, or additional address line fiddling too (assuming it's a good dump)
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 06/20/17 08:20 PM

rfka01: Team Europe just dumped your FontWriter, I'll be taking a look at it as promised smile
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 06/20/17 08:23 PM

Thanks, RB!
Yeah ... it's currently enjoying its summer holidays on the road smile
Posted By: rorirub

Re: New dumps - 06/24/17 01:34 PM

Question, what is the preferred naming style for roms that have multiple different labels?
For example if a rom comes in both an uv eprom variant (EPR-16606) and a mask rom one (MPR-16606), but with matching content.
Posted By: BeckieRGB

Re: New dumps - 06/24/17 07:19 PM

Yet another VT-based handheld, and a followup to the Game Prince RS-1 I posted previously, this is the RS-16:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/pyub0x1x5mck5vu/gprnrs16.zip?dl=0

Verified that the menu loads in EmuVT.
Posted By: Haze

Re: New dumps - 06/24/17 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by rorirub
Question, what is the preferred naming style for roms that have multiple different labels?
For example if a rom comes in both an uv eprom variant (EPR-16606) and a mask rom one (MPR-16606), but with matching content.


usually just a note is added, unless it's shown that one set always used MPR and another EPR, in which case said names are used.
Posted By: BeckieRGB

Re: New dumps - 06/30/17 05:17 AM

The original VG Pocket, just called "VG Pocket", model number VG-2000, with 50 games:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1tyaur2m4hek4w6/vgpocket.zip?dl=0

This is the first one I've found with actual data in the secure hi-ROM area. Not sure what it's used for. The main ROM runs in EmuVT but with wrong colors and only in the top left corner of the screen. O_o
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 07/02/17 03:49 PM

Dozens of IBM PS/2 reference and diagnostics disks:

http://r3tr0.de/mirror/selectpccbbs/
Posted By: Haze

Re: New dumps - 07/02/17 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by BeckieRGB
The original VG Pocket, just called "VG Pocket", model number VG-2000, with 50 games:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1tyaur2m4hek4w6/vgpocket.zip?dl=0

This is the first one I've found with actual data in the secure hi-ROM area. Not sure what it's used for. The main ROM runs in EmuVT but with wrong colors and only in the top left corner of the screen. O_o


this one is doing the same trick as one of the other dumps we have where they're using 8bpp? gfx but the layout in rom is the same as the regular 4bpp gfx.

I was actually unable to find the additional planes in the case of the one we have, but good to know you have one using those modes if we need to investigate them further.

are you 100% sure of the dump size on this one? one thing I was wondering is if maybe the rom was meant to be twice the size, with the other 4bpp in the upper half of the rom or something..

the 'secure' area seems too small to be the rest of the graphics, infact the .hi rom is just a mirror of the last 0x10000 bytes of the main rom (identical content) and contains part of the submarine game.

*edit* I think it's actually just an alt 4bpp mode, not 8bpp
Posted By: BeckieRGB

Re: New dumps - 07/02/17 09:54 PM

This one was dumped using a Xeltek programmer, plus the datasheet states that it's 32Mbit, so I'm certain of the size.
Posted By: Haze

Re: New dumps - 07/02/17 10:00 PM

ok, good to know.

fairly sure it's just an alt 4bpp layout then.

I wonder if it uses a different palette format too, or if they just changed it for some other reason

also strange that they decided to store useless duplicate data in the secure area

it's closest to the 'Defender M2500P 120-in-1' anyway.
Posted By: BeckieRGB

Re: New dumps - 07/08/17 03:23 AM

Here's another VG Pocket handheld, the VG Pocket Mini, model number VG-1500, with 30 games:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ah2h5xoso0jfair/vgpmini.zip?dl=0

Runs in EmuVT, full screen but weird colors. The hi-ROM area on this one seems to be the same as the first 64K of the main ROM.
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 07/12/17 06:54 PM

I got a nice obscure dot matrix printer with my Alphatronic PC ...

[Linked Image]

It's even badge engineered in a stylish mock celtic font ...

[Linked Image]

The thing runs on a D7811G MCU, and there are two ROMs under the Centronics plug in module.

[Linked Image]

https://mega.nz/#!yRZmhDbI!qCDjnaQvpoQjW7lSZNMAsLQr5ZPBSr0MehbBc1In0aI
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 07/12/17 07:04 PM

That looks like an Epson MX-80 OEM. Compare to https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Epson_MX-80.jpg

If so, having a full dump is pretty awesome smile
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 07/12/17 07:42 PM

@RB Could you have a look if the printer's program ROM makes sense as it is or if the MCU needs to be dumped as well ... it has 4K internal ROM but can be used with external ROM as well.
Posted By: Haze

Re: New dumps - 07/14/17 10:38 AM

btw it seems like things posted in this thread are not being properly archived, so links can die and roms can just get lost if things aren't processed immediately and a lot of stuff in here I don't think was processed at all. (Random bios dumps and devices etc.)

I strongly suggest anybody posting here ALSO sends a copy to mamedev, do not assume because you posted a link here that anybody actually downloaded it and kept it safe.

That is of course assuming things that are sent to mamedev are safely archived, so sending to both places is your best option, also if something doesn't get added, poke people about it, because anything not added still has the potential to be lost.

The team are only human, things can get missed, backlogged, or assumed to be somebody else's to deal with.

I'm posting this because I noticed several things on here that did not get transferred so existed only on the dropbox / sendspace links they were originally posted on (that won't last forever, especially providers like SendSpace) those are taken care of now (thanks Tafoid) but god knows how many others simply weren't processed.

Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 07/14/17 11:26 AM

Haze, I usually add photos or manuals to the dumps, so the archives get rather big which makes email cumbersome. If I add a file hosting link to the email, nothing is gained as opposed to posting in this thread.
How about granting regular contributors write access to an "incoming" , "upload" or even a personalized pure upload directory on the FTP instead?
Posted By: Haze

Re: New dumps - 07/14/17 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by rfka01
Haze, I usually add photos or manuals to the dumps, so the archives get rather big which makes email cumbersome. If I add a file hosting link to the email, nothing is gained as opposed to posting in this thread.
How about granting regular contributors write access to an "incoming" , "upload" or even personalized pure upload directory on the FTP instead?


It might be that such a setup already exists the problem is I guess knowing who is 'regular'

I agree posting things in public helps, my concern is that some of it is going to be lost before it get processed tho, so something does need to be done to help prevent that. There needs to be a clearer way of alerting people to 'this needs archiving'
Posted By: Tafoid

Re: New dumps - 07/14/17 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Haze
Originally Posted by rfka01
Haze, I usually add photos or manuals to the dumps, so the archives get rather big which makes email cumbersome. If I add a file hosting link to the email, nothing is gained as opposed to posting in this thread.
How about granting regular contributors write access to an "incoming" , "upload" or even personalized pure upload directory on the FTP instead?


It might be that such a setup already exists the problem is I guess knowing who is 'regular'

I agree posting things in public helps, my concern is that some of it is going to be lost before it get processed tho, so something does need to be done to help prevent that. There needs to be a clearer way of alerting people to 'this needs archiving'


Correct. MAMEDEV has an "ftpdropbox" account which people who have dumps can use to share with the development team as well as coordinate with current developers (Incoming and Outgoing). It isn't a free/open to all deal due to obvious issues of allowing anything be uploaded/downloaded by anyone. Once you are vetted/cleared to get the login details, it is always available to you whenever you may have something that is to be used by a submitted driver or even stuff that might be used later. In any case, just contact me for details if you are a data contributor who wishes to see his/her data stored. If it is small amount of data, you can always email it to our Submission Email (provided it is under about 4MB).
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 07/14/17 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by Tafoid

Once you are vetted/cleared to get the login details, it is always available to you whenever you may have something that is to be used by a submitted driver or even stuff that might be used later. In any case, just contact me for details if you are a data contributor who wishes to see his/her data stored.


Anxiously waiting for the outcome of this application ... hope it's not Mr. Chinnery who does the vetting ... wink
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 07/15/17 04:07 PM

RB started on emulating the Sharp FontWriter FW-700

Originally Posted by rfka01

I got the original floppy disk with the machine, but of course they had used it as their main data floppy. I can't be sure what the original state was, but was able to restore two files that are critical for the self demonstration mode. I'll have to make sure none of the - at times very personal - data remains in the deleted sectors before posting that ...


Here's an image of that edited Floppy disk.

https://mega.nz/#!KVxBGSbT!QnWCQMH2ACJALzsWVB-0KC5VWpYteYYemufdbtod2r4
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 07/17/17 07:11 AM

A guy over at the German hardware preservation forum dumped his DEC VT330, the ROM is linked in the thread.

http://forum.classic-computing.de/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=11160
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 08/08/17 08:54 PM

I was looking for a PC to plug my eprom programmer's interface card into and came across a little machine I had stowed away a few years ago (more on that soon).
There was a VGA card inserted, but it doesn't match the other cards in terms of labels, style and vintage (I've since found the original card that must have come with the machine).

Anyway, here's a dump of the 8 bit Tseng ET3000AX VGA card (also on the FTP).

[Linked Image]

https://mega.nz/#!qdQBVLyb!9mQgYF32R7vaL4GDXI3x-8CfAHjD12kr9JMdIO3WfBE
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 08/10/17 12:43 AM

I've just created a pull request for adding the AEG Olympia Olytext 30 to the pc.cpp driver.

[Linked Image]

It's a neat little XT clone that I've in my possession for a long time after picking it up from the dumpster, and I must even have tried to use it as a mini desktop, as there are some additions by me on the harddisk. It's a slot CPU design that is very compact and therefore working on it is a pain in the butt.

[Linked Image]

What I hadn't realized at the time though, is that the machine contains a Z180 coprocessor card that is necessary to run the bespoke word processor, OT30.exe.

[Linked Image]

There is a Z80 based Olytext 20, (discussion in German, photos and maybe forthcoming ROMs here), so maybe this Z180 card is what's needed to run the Oly 20 word processor with a DOS wrapper to start up the coprocessor. If the card is missing, OT30.exe complains:

[Linked Image]

I've created a pull request for the addition to the PC driver, but the Z180 card (and probably the graphics card) would have to be emulated as well to consider the machine fully operational.

Here are the photos and the ROMs from this machine:

AEG Olympia Olytext 30 photos

AEG Olympia Olytext 30 ROMs

I managed to read the harddisk with David Gesswein's MFM reader and extracted the DOS and the word processor on two floppy images that I've uploaded to the FTP along with the ROMs and pictures. I'd like to stay these restricted to the devs until we can make sure by running the word processor, that no files related to the previous owner (a rather big company of my hometown) remain.
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 08/28/17 01:27 PM

One of the posters in the German vintage computers forum came through with dumps for textsystems. One is the aforementioned Olytext 20, another is the 6502 based Brother SK-64, which looks like an extension box to a typewriter.

Unfortunately, for both machines neither keyboard nor disks have been found yet.

Olytext 20:
[Linked Image]

Brother SK-64:
[Linked Image]

The Olytext 20 mainboard is marked "ETX III CPU" ... maybe that rings a bell with someone.

For the Brother SK-64 ... could someone 6502-savvy (RB?) please have a look at the ROM dumps to check if the look sane.

Files are on FTP as well as here:

AEG Olympia Olytext 20

Brother SK-64 textsystem
Posted By: Duke

Re: New dumps - 08/28/17 02:12 PM

The character generator ROM from the Brother looks good, running it through MAME's gfxdecode gives us this (8x9 chars):

[Linked Image]
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 08/30/17 06:30 AM

Over in the German collector's forum, firmware, docs and disk images have been made public for Sage II, Sage IV and Stride 440 machines


https://amaus.net/static/S100/sage/systems/

https://amaus.net/static/S100/sage/OS/

http://forum.classic-computing.de/i...b47815713b108f32dc10873617afbde3cf3c1dfe
Posted By: Al Kossow

Re: New dumps - 08/30/17 03:37 PM

Most of this has been on bitsavers since 2014
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 08/30/17 05:09 PM

Thanks, Al. I've loaned my MFM reader/emulator and Eprom reader to the guy in the following thread who seems to have a rather rare Motorola 6300 series / Convergent Miniframe smile

Let's see what's transpiring from there.

https://groups.google.com/forum/?ut...msg/mfm-discuss/662GjeEno-o/zll4o67oDQAJ
Posted By: Al Kossow

Re: New dumps - 09/01/17 03:53 PM

from the VCF post, sounds like the read was successful
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 09/01/17 09:14 PM

Are there actual dumps for the machine yet? It didn't seem like it from the thread.
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 09/01/17 09:15 PM

The ROMs are on the FTP, those are the ones I was asking you to look into earlier, he hasn't released the HD dump (yet).
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 09/01/17 09:30 PM

Oh, ok. I've contacted the guy at http://cholla.mmto.org/computers/miniframe/index.html to see what he has; it sounds like he's well familiar with the internals of the thing.
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 09/02/17 02:07 AM

Yeah, FTP doesn't have them unless we're talking about different FTPs smile
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 09/02/17 08:23 AM

MAME FTP quarantine income box for external contributors, "Motorola 6300" as the guy's machine is branded that.
Posted By: Robbbert

Re: New dumps - 09/02/17 10:09 AM

Can see the file on FTP.
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 09/02/17 02:10 PM

Still can't find it. Need a path, because nothing's building allfiles.txt anymore.
Posted By: Robbbert

Re: New dumps - 09/02/17 02:39 PM

roms/FTP_Dropbox/Incoming/Motorola 6300.zip

Also, allfile.txt is there in admin folder
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 09/02/17 08:31 PM

Got it. Dump is good, it matches the disassembly at that guy's page.

Do we have any floppy or HDD media for this thing?
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 09/04/17 09:19 AM

I'm trying to get the harddisk image dump of the machine that started this released. In the meantime, there are media on bitsavers, but I don't know what these archives unpack to.

http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/bits/Convergent/miniframe/
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 09/04/17 09:51 AM

Those are tape images and unfortunately the hardware manual I have for the Miniframe only describes the floppy and HDD interfaces, the word "tape" only appears in reference to the warranty card on the last page.
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 09/04/17 02:43 PM

Found a photo, there's a QIC tape interface for machines with a tape drive, and presumably an updated boot ROM that can boot from it. The dump we have definitely is floppy/HDD only.
Posted By: shattered

Re: New dumps - 09/04/17 08:43 PM

http://www.dragonslair.ca/Kaypro.htm has a dump of SynHCS -- "Synergy Host Control System" for Digital Keyboards Synergy II synthesizer:

[Linked Image]
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 09/04/17 11:42 PM

Neat. The Synergy II itself is pretty unobtainium. They made less than 1000 total, and allegedly Wendy Carlos is still using hers today. (She played it on the original 1982 TRON soundtrack along with the Moog modular).
Posted By: shattered

Re: New dumps - 09/05/17 06:03 PM

Junkie XL got one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6B4GDKSPfo), that's where I learned about it smile He's got a different version of the software, though.

Someone else who was the software and samples -- https://forum.kryoflux.com/viewtopic.php?t=1012 :

Quote

I [HideawayStudio] am an engineer and sound designer specialising in the overhaul and restoration of vintage synthesizers. I am synth engineer for Will Gregory (Goldfrapp) as well as a couple of other major artists in the music industry.

I retrofit HxC systems to a fair number of vintage synths and their host computers. This recently included 2 out of the 3 world's remaining 1979 General Development Systems which use a modified IMS8000 CP/M machine as its host running on 8" floppy disks.

I specialise in supporting the 1982 DK Synergy II+ digital synth and was the first to image and run the SynHCS, OS and Sound Library disks for the CP/M based Kaypro II host editor under HxC disk emulation. I am happy to help others make this possible. In theory this extends to helping any Kaypro II owner to fit and run an HxC system.
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 09/05/17 07:39 PM

Quote
I'm trying to get the harddisk image dump of the machine that started this released.


The hard disk dump from the Motorola 6300 / Convergent Miniframe is now available

http://forum.classic-computing.de/index.php?page=Thread&postID=123853#post123853
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 09/05/17 08:57 PM

Wow, that didn't take long :-)
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 09/05/17 09:05 PM

The guy's scanning his manuals as well now ... and is looking forward to seeing his machine emulated smile
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 09/06/17 12:53 AM

The posted HDD dump seems to be a raw MFM image. Can I get actual bytes somehow?
Posted By: Al Kossow

Re: New dumps - 09/06/17 01:10 AM

mfm_utility can convert it
it's part of the mfm emulator toolset

i'll fire up my board and convert it

./mfm_util -a -m s6300_emu -e s6300_emu.raw
Original decode arguments: --sectors 17,0 --heads 4 --cylinders 640 --header_crc 0xffff,0x1021,16,0 --data_crc 0xffff,0x1021,16,0 --format WD_1006 --sector_length 512 --retries 50 --drive 1
Matches count 34 for controller WD_1006
Header CRC: Polynomial 0x1021 length 16 initial value 0xffff
Sector length 512
Data CRC: Polynomial 0x1021 length 16 initial value 0xffff
Number of heads 4 number of sectors 17 first sector 0
Interleave (not checked): 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16

Command line to read disk:
--sectors 17,0 --heads 4 --cylinders 640 --header_crc 0xffff,0x1021,16,0 --data_crc 0xffff,0x1021,16,0 --format WD_1006 --sector_length 512 --retries 50,4 --drive 1
Found cyl 0 to 639, head 0 to 3, sector 0 to 16
Expected 43520 sectors got 43520 good sectors, 0 bad header, 0 bad data
0 sectors marked bad or spare
0 sectors corrected with ECC. Max bits in burst corrected 0

--

uploaded to /messftp/uploads/Motorola_6300 now
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 09/10/17 10:37 PM

The German BASF company sold computers in the late 1970s and early 1980s ... their lineup seems to have been badge engineered from the US Digi-Log company.

I got a BASF 7120, a huge boat anchor with built in monitor and triple floppy drives that appears to be the German version of the Digi-Log Microterm II.

http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/datapro/programmable_terminals/Datapro_C21_Digi-Log.pdf

[Linked Image]

I'll dump its ROMs when and indeed if I manage to tear it apart - the whole grey plastic top lifts off, but all electronic goodies are underneath the monitor and drive assembly.
Unfortunately I have no software to go with the machine - I wonder if Al has something in the pipeline apart from the ad in the above link.
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 09/22/17 07:33 PM

Together with the EuroPC and EuroXT stuff I also found BIOS versions for Schneider's Euro AT and Tower AT series.

The EGA BIOS provided came with the Tower AT v1.01 BIOS, the archive (also on the FTP) contains service manuals for both machines.

https://mega.nz/#!HIhAUBzS!R7hauLU-yzIClh6Eb7pax86PaX3KLgMNpKRn6k8NTv8

Unfortunately those AT BIOSs don't just slip into our existing at.cpp driver, some emitting short beeps, none displaying anything.

The Schneider machines were quite popular in Germany for a while. Most of them are 10 or 12.5 MHz 286 class machines with internal EGA graphics that could go up to 800x600x16, Windows 3.1 drivers are provided. Harddisks were 20-60MB. Later machines had 386sx CPUs and EGA. A "slice" with a tape streamer or a 1.2MB floppy was available for the tower machine as a case extension.
The name designations are somewhat erratic and not used consistently (Tower 220, 202, 240, 260) ... at first 3.5" 720KB disk drives were used, later they switched over to 1.44MB ones.

Check out the pictures on those websites, I don't own one yet.

http://www.planetmulti.de/v2/index.html?http://www.planetmulti.de/v2/schneider/towerat.html

http://trelohra.blogspot.de/2016/03/schneider-euro-at.html
Posted By: ssj

Re: New dumps - 09/26/17 03:49 AM

After a long, hard (and expensive...) quest the last 2 Casio PV-2000 carts have finally been purchased and dumped, so the system is now fully preserved (released games at least). One hell of a milestone and now I will sleep better at night smile
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 09/26/17 07:39 AM

Nothing to do with new dumps per se, but this guy just posted a nifty ROM utility.

http://www.wolfgangrobel.de/romwizard.htm
Posted By: Luigi30

Re: New dumps - 10/16/17 05:43 AM

Someone over on AtariAge dug up an old ERIC retail kiosk laserdisc. The kiosk consisted of an Atari 800 controlling a laserdisc player. I don’t know if we have the software but what’s the state of the art for archiving laserdiscs?

http://atariage.com/forums/topic/271034-eric-laserdisc-found/#entry3868808
Posted By: Lord Nightmare

Re: New dumps - 10/16/17 06:00 PM

Laserdisc archiving is a charged political issue, in short nobody has decided on the best way to do it.

LN
Posted By: F1ReB4LL

Re: New dumps - 10/20/17 04:18 PM

AFAIK, the 'rawest' possible way of storing/decoding the LD data right now is http://forum.lddb.com/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=2671
Posted By: Bavarese

Re: New dumps - 10/26/17 03:11 PM

I found a Logitech M-S35 mouse in the bin. It has a PS/2 interface. The single chip on the board is labeled

----------------------------
(c) Logitech 9824A
331051-2001 S8.2
6870-04005
----------------------------

Please, what is the correct way to dump this beast...?

P.S.: also have a interface for the STAR NL-10 (Commodore IEC to printer) and a WIESEMANN interface (another C-64 printer interface). Should these be dumped too? I can provide photos, if necessary.
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 10/26/17 03:52 PM

Bavarese: none of those numbers match a known microcontroller to my knowledge. Might have to get it decapped to find out what it really is.

The C64 printer interfaces likely contain a small CPU or microcontroller and ROM(s) that can be fairly easily dumped.
Posted By: Bavarese

Re: New dumps - 10/28/17 10:54 PM

Logitech relied on a number of custom ICs, manufactured by Zilog or Motorola according to the site http://www.tcocd.de/Pictures/Peripheral/in_mice.shtml, especially

330063-00 S1 (Motorola) - used in M-S28, M-S30, M-S35 mice
331021-2001 (Motorola) - used in M-S34, M-S35
331021-3001 (Motorola) - used in M-S30, M-S43, M-S38 MouseMan
331115-1001 S15.1 - used in M-S61, M-S35 mice

Is anything known about these chips - or the numbering scheme? The last part looks like a software revision...

--- On another note, the Wiesemann Type 9200 has a PHILIPS MAB8048HPS017 controller (guess it is a 8048 compatible), + a seperate EPROM. Guess i can read it - if i can obtain infos on the type.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/b6mblq191cw9v9v/Wiesemann_type_9200.jpg?dl=0
Posted By: Bavarese

Re: New dumps - 11/03/17 10:21 AM

Here is a list of 44 Logitech mouse MCUs from 1986 to 2003, taken from a half-defunct German site Mostly Logitech's internal numbering, though. I added my own PS/2 mouse, as well as info retrieved via FCC-ID.
In some cases, very detailed PCB photographs may be obtained from the FCC site. Logitech even printed the FCC ID directly on the circuit board (for some time).

After 1994, they were force to relocate manufacturing to China / Taiwan (and i believe they stopped marketing programmable mice and used less capable controllers).

I am curious what Motorola SC403127FN (1990), 42C40P1924 (Japan 1991) or SC88932P (Motorola, ADB Mouse M-AC13-4MD) controllers had inside.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cra3qzhhc24p8bd/LOGITECH_MOUSE_MCUs_to_2003.html?dl=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jw6zzznk7...to_2003_EXPORT%20Nov.3rd%202017.zip?dl=0
Posted By: ICEknight

Re: New dumps - 11/07/17 11:17 AM

In case it may be of interest, somebody has been hacking and dumping stuff from a TecToy "Mega Drive 4 Guitar Idol" console.

Original article with board pics and downloads (in Portuguese): Hackeando o Mega Drive 4 (parte 1)
Source and images of the included SMS games: SMS Power!
Posted By: Shideravan

Re: New dumps - 11/12/17 03:13 AM

Originally Posted by ICEknight
In case it may be of interest, somebody has been hacking and dumping stuff from a TecToy "Mega Drive 4 Guitar Idol" console.

Original article with board pics and downloads (in Portuguese): Hackeando o Mega Drive 4 (parte 1)
Source and images of the included SMS games: SMS Power!

Cool!
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 11/15/17 09:47 PM

New level of crazy for the EuroPC: A guy dumped the Schneider Keyboard MCU "Schneider ZC86115P" which turns out to be a mask programmed MC6805U2. Using Info from Sean Riddle he dumped the chip and replaced it with a MC68705U3 that is mentioned in the schematics as an option. He's posted the ROM code as well.

https://forum.classic-computing.org...nd-amstrad/&postID=129339#post129339
Posted By: Justin

Re: New dumps - 11/16/17 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by rfka01
New level of crazy for the EuroPC: A guy dumped the Schneider Keyboard MCU "Schneider ZC86115P" which turns out to be a mask programmed MC6805U2. Using Info from Sean Riddle he dumped the chip and replaced it with a MC68705U3 that is mentioned in the schematics as an option. He's posted the ROM code as well.

https://forum.classic-computing.org...nd-amstrad/&postID=129339#post129339


Nice, can you reupload this? That forum requires registration to download files.
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 11/16/17 07:31 AM

It's on the FTP now.
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 11/16/17 10:44 PM

TeamE's been busy again with stuff I sent him - I can't thank him enough!

One of the highlights will take a little time as an adapter is needed to dump all the relevant stuff - I finally got hold of an Olivetti Quaderno, a tiny subnotebook that had a special feature - you could activate its harddisk without booting the machine and use it like a dictaphone to record audio using transport keys (play, stop, forward etc) on the lid. I'll make a proper post once I've got all the files.
The second goodie is an ultra rare portable machine that was developed by the same company as the ITT3030 and the Alphatronic P2/P3, the SKS Nano 2500 (actually model 2515). No boot floppies have turned up for this CP/M machine, but me and another owner hope that including it in MAME and prodding it with the debugger might help in generating one from TA/ITT ones. Again, this beauty will get a post of its own once I have all the files and some nice photos.

The Sharp Fontwriter FW-600 uses a much smaller screen than the FW-700 RB's already taken a stab at, and this one has an English keyboard.

[Linked Image]

Files as usual on the FTP and here.
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 11/17/17 10:10 PM

Keyboards ... my old nemesis smile I got some spare mainboards today, three Commodore (PC 10-III and PC 30/PC40-III), and one with an Ericsson sticker.

Before I issue a pull request, I'd like to find out what machine it comes from (anyone? Edstrom?) ... there are two Ericsson models in the PC driver (with the portable one working), but this one is different again. I hope the ROM is complete, as there's an empty socket next to the existing chip.

With the mainboard came a little memory board

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

Dropping the ROM into our PC driver produces that old chestnut, keyboard error - press any key.

[Linked Image]

Other graphics cards produce varying, but less convincing results smile

[Linked Image]

ROM and photos as usual on the FTP and here.
Posted By: Edstrom

Re: New dumps - 11/17/17 10:55 PM

It is very similar to the Ericsson PCB I found pictures of here: Ericsson PC. The BIOS has an older version P840705 compared to the one I got hold of P860110 so it is possible it fitted in one rom only. You can find the different version of Ericsson PC:s at the Swedish Wikipedia about Ericsson Information Systems which also tells the story how Ericsson aquired DataSaab and Facit in the 80:ies. We lack dumps of the first (Ericsson Step One) OEM.ed by Panasonics and the last one (Ericsson WS286) of their own products.

Ericsson had a history of "improving" the PC standard so chances are that the Keyboard problem is a remain from Step One as the rom version is really early or you are just missing the second rom. Great contribution however, thx! smile
Posted By: Edstrom

Re: New dumps - 11/18/17 09:04 PM

rfka01, do you think you can document how the keyboard is hooked up or supply sharp and hi-res pictures of both sides of the EPC PCB? Maybe it is a multi layer PCB so there is no chance to trace anyway...
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 11/18/17 09:38 PM

Next are the Commodore PC 30-III and PC 40-III boards. They are basically the same board, but on the PC 30-III the onboard Paradise VGA is not populated. I will issue a pull request for the PC 30-III ROMs - I've renamed the driver, as PC30 as such refers to a model of the PC10 line. Since I don't know what to do with the VGA ROMs I haven't added the PC 40-III as I don't want to seperate the batch.
ROM dumps are here for the PC 30-III and here for the PC 40-III and on the FTP. ftp://ftp.zimmers.net/pub/cbm-pc/firmware/ has a lot more firmware revisions, although some don't match up as pairs, and others seem to have (easy to make) typos in their names.

PC 30-III, note how the board is silk screened PC 40-III, but the sticker says PC 30-III
[Linked Image]

PC 40-III
[Linked Image]
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 11/18/17 09:51 PM

Hi Edstrom,

I hope you can use these ... https://mega.nz/#!6U4SwYRZ!EBzVn9rEcPArdTTicASsPFuWV4RAMkmugYM4H1Hpf4g
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 11/19/17 01:28 PM

More Commodore stuff: here and on the FTP

Commodore PC 40-III:
* Spec sheet for the Paradise PVGA1A chip set
* Technical Manual for the PC 40-III

Commodore PC 30-III:
* An ATI EGA Wonder 800+ BIOS from ftp://ftp.oldskool.org/pub/drivers/IBM/www.minuszerodegrees.net/rom/rom.htm
Appears to have a Compaq watermark, but the card is correct, compare this photo of a PC 30, a Commodore spare parts list and this compilation of ATI cards.
* An ATI EGA Wonder 800+ manual
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 11/19/17 03:28 PM

Here (and on the FTP) are some BIOS of cards and/or MBs with little or no further information:

* Future Domain SCSI BIOS v8.4 from an 8 bit SCSI card, TMS 850 or TMS 860M
* Arche 486 BIOS, couldn't get it to post
* A pair of IBM ROMs marked "LE[C]IBM 65F2995 13-6-90" ... no idea if they came from a card or a system
Posted By: Edstrom

Re: New dumps - 11/19/17 06:27 PM

A quick Google of 65F2995 reveals it is a Display/Keyboard part number, check it out here:
Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 11/20/17 08:25 AM

Someone dumped the ROMs for the Apple 401 Color Plotter:

https://github.com/phooky/PROM/tree/master/Apple 401 Color Plotter
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 11/20/17 09:21 AM

Quote
A quick Google of 65F2995 reveals it is a Display/Keyboard


I had dismissed that result because I must have pulled the ROMs from something, and I can't remember equipment like this.
Posted By: Bavarese

Re: New dumps - 11/22/17 09:32 PM

[Wiesemann 9200 Commodore IEC to Centronics interface dumped]

Here is a MCS-48 compatible dump of the 2716Q EPROM connected to the MAB8048H controller, together with PCB photos and PDFs (in German).

Unfortunately i can't check if this is valid 8048 code. Does it even make sense, given the current state of C-64 or VIC-20 emulation...?

Of course, i can provide translations if necessary. A brief description in English is included in the package.

Dropbox link to PCB, ROM dump and preliminary description (in 9200-5)

MAB 8048 datasheet (Dropbox)
Posted By: AJR

Re: New dumps - 11/22/17 10:27 PM

I see two identical bad dumps in there (D4 is stuck low). From what I can tell, though, it could likely be valid MCS-48 code if it were redumped.
Posted By: Bavarese

Re: New dumps - 11/23/17 04:48 PM

My Eprommer from 1990 broke.

Who can you handle a 2116Q (*) Eprom or has the ability to dump a programmable, 6805 (**) based Logitech C-7 mouse? Robert?

(*) 2K x 8; should be 5 volt compatible (12,5 volt not required)
(**) internal ROM
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 11/23/17 05:14 PM

Nope, my Galep 4 doesn't support them.
Posted By: Darkstar

Re: New dumps - 11/23/17 11:15 PM

An Arduino (or similar) and a few wires can handle almost anything ;-)
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 12/10/17 07:48 PM

Fun fact: One of the reasons for the electronic typewriters and typewriter addons of the '70s and '80s was that computer personnel had higher wages than mere typists. As long as it connected to a typewriter, the operator got paid as a typist. Hence mongrels like the Olivetti ETV 300.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL26SFHlxpE

http://www.retrocomputing.net/parts/olivetti/typewriters/etv300/docs/docs.htm

http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?54199-Olivetti-ETV-300-Restored

http://s1191.photobucket.com/user/yukinsaknos/etv%20300/story

The last link has great photos of the complete machine - I only have a set of boards from the computer box.

While the setup is not complete without a dump from an Olivetti typewriter (ET 111, 112, 115, 116, 121, 201, 221 or 225) and its serial LCU (line communication unit) that is the ETV 300's keyboard and printer, the ETV 300 is a self contained CP/M machine with one or two 5,25" floppy drives.

I have the ROM dumps from my boards and some software from user 1ST1 from the German VzekC forum (FTP and here).
Posted By: ICEknight

Re: New dumps - 12/30/17 09:40 PM

Couldn't help but notice that there's not a single mention to MAME in today's official announcement of the dumping and emulation of Gaelco's "Last KM", so I'm leaving it here in case that you guys weren't aware of it:

http://www.retroaccion.org/preservacion-de-maquina-arcade-last-km-de-zeus-software-gaelco

The article mentions a "gym version" that may have been this one:
https://es.wallapop.com/item/bicicleta-estatica-salter-9891133
http://www.foromtb.com/threads/bici-salter.667735/
Posted By: Stiletto

Re: New dumps - 12/30/17 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by ICEknight
Couldn't help but notice that there's not a single mention to MAME in today's official announcement of the dumping and emulation of Gaelco's "Last KM", so I'm leaving it here in case that you guys weren't aware of it:

http://www.retroaccion.org/preservacion-de-maquina-arcade-last-km-de-zeus-software-gaelco

The article mentions a "gym version" that may have been this one:
https://es.wallapop.com/item/bicicleta-estatica-salter-9891133
http://www.foromtb.com/threads/bici-salter.667735/


Thanks for the heads up, I've never seen further evidence of "Salter", so that is awesome.
https://mamedev.emulab.it/undumped/index.php?title=Salter

Based on the translation, I would hazard a guess that this is not going to be shared with the MAME project. I can certainly confirm that they haven't reached out yet.
Posted By: ssj

Re: New dumps - 01/01/18 11:42 PM

There have been a couple new Cubo CD32 games dumped recently that still weren't added to MAME. They are Odeon Twister, El Dorado and Laser Quiz Greece, they can be found on the EAB FTP under /Commodore_Amiga/CD/Cubo CD32 if someone wants to add them.

Credits for the dumps should go to jarre, Carlo Santagostino, AMike and r2d2. We might see some other games dumped in the future.
Posted By: F1ReB4LL

Re: New dumps - 01/02/18 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by ssj
There have been a couple new Cubo CD32 games dumped recently that still weren't added to MAME. They are Odeon Twister, El Dorado and Laser Quiz Greece, they can be found on the EAB FTP under /Commodore_Amiga/CD/Cubo CD32 if someone wants to add them.

Credits for the dumps should go to jarre, Carlo Santagostino, AMike and r2d2. We might see some other games dumped in the future.

Just be careful, because that FTP also contains many hacked images. Also, Odeon Twister has its last audio track cut due to lack of offset correction and, ideally, should be redumped to cover all the audio data.

El Dorado isn't for the stock CUBO CD32, but for the more advanced "Laser Gate 2" system.
Posted By: ssj

Re: New dumps - 01/02/18 10:56 PM

All hacked images are stored in a separate folder and clearly tagged so they are very easy to identify.
Posted By: Stiletto

Re: New dumps - 01/02/18 11:58 PM

Originally Posted by Stiletto
Based on the translation, I would hazard a guess that this is not going to be shared with the MAME project. I can certainly confirm that they haven't reached out yet.


In case you haven't seen it on the MAMEWorld Forums thread about the same announcement, ElSemi confirmed that the game's dump will be shared once everything is in place.
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 01/13/18 09:12 PM

The Sartorius 3733 is a huge and heavy beast of an electronic scale.

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Certain mamesters will probably be interested to see that it's an Intel 4040 system.

[Linked Image]

Files as always on the FTP and here.

Vas, could you please take a quick look at the ROM dumps to see if this is plausible for a 4040 system, they're the first 2708's I dumped.
Posted By: Vas Crabb

Re: New dumps - 01/14/18 02:14 AM

Originally Posted by rfka01
The Sartorius 3733 is a huge and heavy beast of an electronic scale.

Certain mamesters will probably be interested to see that it's an Intel 4040 system.


Yep, lab equipment is always interesting, and more test cases for my MCS-40 emulation core are definitely needed.

Originally Posted by rfka01
Vas, could you please take a quick look at the ROM dumps to see if this is plausible for a 4040 system, they're the first 2708's I dumped.


I had a quick looks at the disassembly, and it looks sane enough. I can see it trying to initialise stuff. I'll add it to MAME when I get a chance.
Posted By: Vas Crabb

Re: New dumps - 01/14/18 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by rfka01
Files as always on the FTP and here.

Vas, could you please take a quick look at the ROM dumps to see if this is plausible for a 4040 system, they're the first 2708's I dumped.


Could you get shots of the whole board with all the chips' markings legible? It might help with working out how I/O works in the absence of a schematic. In particular there's an Intel chip at the bottom left that's obscured, and from the oblique shot it looks like there's more area on the board not shown in the other photo. Also, what are the crystals?
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 01/14/18 10:24 AM

Yup, will do tomorrow (it's still at work). I'll have to find the proper tools to pry everything apart.

There's another thread (which prompted me to check this thing out) in the German VzEkC forum

https://forum.classic-computing.org...23960&highlight=Sartorius#post123960

but apart from the fact that the manual came from there and you can see the display in action, the pictures don't show more details.

The guy who owns the other scale has a homepage with lots of arcade stuff and an interesting ROM manager (ROM Wizard).

http://www.wolfgangrobel.de/romwizard.htm
Posted By: Vas Crabb

Re: New dumps - 01/14/18 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by rfka01
Yup, will do tomorrow (it's still at work). I'll have to find the proper tools to pry everything apart.


Thanks. I added a skeleton driver with ROM and the 4002 RAM hooked up. I don't know where the extra 246*4 RAM is supposed to map and I haven't looked at I/O yet. It calls what's clearly a setup function, then gets into a loop polling something, so the ROM dumps are probably good, anyway.
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 01/14/18 11:50 AM

Let me know if you need help with the manual, but IIRC you're somewhat of a language whiz.
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 01/15/18 06:00 PM

Here are the promised photos of the scale's board ... forgot about the crystal (I can see only one above the ROMs), I'll look tomorrow.

In order to remove the PCB I had to remove the VFD display as well, here you can see the digits clearly:

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Posted By: AJR

Re: New dumps - 01/15/18 09:11 PM

From one of the new photos, it looks like the oscillator may have its frequency labeled on its side.
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 01/16/18 08:48 AM

The oscillator is labeled 4194.304 kHz.
Posted By: Vas Crabb

Re: New dumps - 01/16/18 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by rfka01
The oscillator is labeled 4194.304 kHz.

Thanks. Interesting that the oscillator/clock divider chip is nowhere near the crystal. You'd think that would be a recipe for instability.
Posted By: Vas Crabb

Re: New dumps - 01/16/18 01:10 PM

Sorry to be a pain, but can you measure voltages and/or frequencies on the board while it's running, or measure continuity? I'm interested in what's going on with the clock generator chip - the Intel P4201A (16-pin chip near the big D4289 8-bit memory controller).
  • If you can measure voltages, check the voltage on pin 5 with respect to pin 15
  • If you can measure frequencies, check the frequency coming out on pin 3 (MOS compatible) and the crystal frequency on pin 7 or pin 8
  • If you can measure continuity (with the machine off), check whether pin 5 is connected to pin 15 or pin 4
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 01/16/18 01:37 PM

The voltage regulators and several Tantals look shot so I can't / dare not turn it on in this state.

On the P4201A, pin 5 and 15 are connected.
Posted By: Vas Crabb

Re: New dumps - 01/16/18 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by rfka01
On the P4201A, pin 5 and 15 are connected.

OK, we know it's in divide-by-seven mode anyway. Let's assume it's used to generate the CPU clock.
Posted By: Just Desserts

Re: New dumps - 02/06/18 04:59 AM

Would someone be so kind as to add this dump from a Casio SK-1 to MAME, so that it doesn't get lost? https://spun.io/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/sk1-rom-raw.zip
Posted By: Vas Crabb

Re: New dumps - 02/06/18 05:21 AM

Originally Posted by Just Desserts
Would someone be so kind as to add this dump from a Casio SK-1 to MAME, so that it doesn't get lost? https://spun.io/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/sk1-rom-raw.zip

I'll add it. MSM6283 apparently.
Posted By: incog

Re: New dumps - 02/08/18 06:17 PM

http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/1383659488_NUON-Architecture-26-OEM.pdf - Found this
Posted By: Stiletto

Re: New dumps - 02/08/18 07:20 PM



From this article: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015...failed-to-combine-dvd-and-game-consoles/

It was probably provided for the article by the long-standing website http://www.nuon-dome.com/
Posted By: incog

Re: New dumps - 02/08/18 07:38 PM

If they did provide it, which i assume so too, it's not linked on their site.
Posted By: Stiletto

Re: New dumps - 02/08/18 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by incog
If they did provide it, which i assume so too, it's not linked on their site.


I thought it might be inside the SDK - but it seems not. Indeed, it is not leaping out at me right now.
Posted By: Just Desserts

Re: New dumps - 02/09/18 07:21 AM



The NUON architecture makes a lot more sense if you haphazardly insert the phrase "because the drugs told us to" at the end of various sentences in the document.

"Instructions are encoded into instruction packets. Each instruction packet contains from one to five instructions, each for a different function unit, because the drugs told us to."

"A packet may contain instructions for any combination of function units. Instruction packets are therefore of variable length, from a minimum of sixteen bits to a maximum of one hundred and twenty-eight bits, because the drugs told us to."
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 02/09/18 12:45 PM

VLIW isn't that outrageous - many DSPs (and Nuon is first and foremost a set of DSPs) work that way too, and so does Itanium.
Posted By: Just Desserts

Re: New dumps - 02/09/18 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by R. Belmont
VLIW isn't that outrageous - many DSPs (and Nuon is first and foremost a set of DSPs) work that way too, and so does Itanium.


It's not the fact that it's VLIW, it's the fact that the designers somehow thought that compiler architects would be able to devise a way of keeping seven different execution units all full up with things to do.
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 02/09/18 01:07 PM

At the time they were doing it, Intel was claiming the same thing. It just didn't work out that way smile
Posted By: Vas Crabb

Re: New dumps - 02/09/18 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by R. Belmont
VLIW isn't that outrageous - many DSPs (and Nuon is first and foremost a set of DSPs) work that way too, and so does Itanium.

It's a bit less outrageous than Itanium because at least it has a fixed instruction pack format. It's just kind of unusual in that the NOPs in an instruction pack can be abbreviated, increasing code density.
Posted By: incog

Re: New dumps - 02/11/18 11:31 AM

Grabbing the trurip an redump sets to make a Playdia softlist, I found these.

Found in the trurip sets:https://archive.org/details/ArcadeISOs.7z

https://mamedev.emulab.it/undumped/index.php?title=Shootout_at_Old_Tucson

https://mamedev.emulab.it/undumped/index.php?title=Mad_Dog_McCree_2_-_The_Lost_Gold

Also an alt version of Hell Night. I've converted all 3 to CHD and uploaded them, they also come with the trurip source images.

Edit: https://imgur.com/a/LWr1e - Shootout at Old Tucson
Posted By: F1ReB4LL

Re: New dumps - 02/11/18 12:07 PM

Both ALG 3DO ones were floating in the net for ages and don't belong to TruRip, they've just included all the internet stuff not covered by TruRip itself at some point. And, as far as I remember, Shootout at Old Tucson image was somewhat damaged, at least the 3DO file extractor tools were able to extract only a handful of files from it.

IIRC, R. Belmont should also have either one or both images for this somewhere.
Posted By: incog

Re: New dumps - 02/11/18 12:55 PM

I assumed as much, this is also we found the Orbatak prototype, currently in MAME

Unrelated: making the Playdia software list is going great as all sources, redump, trurip and others, all the eventual CHD's match each other.
Posted By: incog

Re: New dumps - 02/12/18 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by F1ReB4LL
as far as I remember, Shootout at Old Tucson image was somewhat damaged, at least the 3DO file extractor tools were able to extract only a handful of files from it.


Using a hacked bios and 4DO, both go into attract mode, no inputs though. Images seem to be complete.
Posted By: ssj

Re: New dumps - 02/13/18 01:48 AM

Originally Posted by incog
Originally Posted by F1ReB4LL
as far as I remember, Shootout at Old Tucson image was somewhat damaged, at least the 3DO file extractor tools were able to extract only a handful of files from it.


Using a hacked bios and 4DO, both go into attract mode, no inputs though. Images seem to be complete.

It will run in the latest Phoenix builds (including inputs) and it does seem complete.
Posted By: Stiletto

Re: New dumps - 02/13/18 06:00 PM

That's great, but as far as I know the arcade PCBs that control coinage, inputs, and controlling the internal 3DO have not been made available to us yet (assuming it has this and isn't just a coin mech controlling a timing circuit for a consumer 3DO).
Posted By: incog

Re: New dumps - 02/13/18 07:31 PM

https://imgur.com/a/LWr1e - missing the ALG bios for the 3DO unit too, right now it's a hacked bios
Posted By: Just Desserts

Re: New dumps - 02/14/18 05:31 PM



Good stuff. Now find any other info, like an SDK, or an explanation as to the executable file format for Nuon game discs. I'm looking at an ISO of Merlin Racing, and there are a grand total of three files: nuon.dat (about 504 megs - looks to have some kind of internal directory structure at the start of the file), nuon.n16 (0x31800 bytes in size, appears to be some kind of image based on how it looks in a hex editor), and nuon.run (661 kilobytes - looks to be an executable, includes game strings, as well as the string "libnise version 1.41 Copyright (c) 2000 VM Labs, Inc. All rights reserved."). But, being that the latter starts with 4 bytes of ASCII ("Bles"), the entry point is presumably elsewhere than offset 0.
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 02/14/18 05:40 PM

SDK: http://www.nuon-dome.com/download.html
Posted By: Haze

Re: New dumps - 02/15/18 12:02 AM

just to link back to the old thread here
http://goo.gl/KKgk7Q
Posted By: BeckieRGB

Re: New dumps - 02/16/18 09:21 AM

I found another system in the Wireless series. It's just called "Wireless"

https://www.dropbox.com/s/hw7hfsota3rm4hz/wireless.zip?dl=0

Actually the full name appears to be Wireless Hunting Video Game System. The software was written by Hamy and the hardware was distributed by Kids Station Toys Inc (who also distributed the Wireless 60 and Wireless Air 60).

It appears to use a similar if not the same GeneralPlus/Sunplus CPU as used in the Wireless Air 60 (the string "SPF2ALP" appears several times in both ROMs), but not the SPG2xx that was used in the original Wireless 60.
Posted By: Just Desserts

Re: New dumps - 02/16/18 09:19 PM



Oh for the love of fucking god. An incredibly detailed document that goes over literally everything that one could possibly want to emulate the CPU, including functional blocks, peripheral blocks, and more - yet it omits the one crucial thing, which is the god damn encoding of the fucking instructions.
Posted By: ICEknight

Re: New dumps - 03/09/18 08:15 PM

This may not be of much use for MAME in the near future, but there's just a few weeks left for preserving all the Wii downloadable games and there's currently some efforts being done to complete the sets:
http://romshepherd.com/index.php/topic,3799.180.html

Unfortunately, they seem to have hit a road block with the Korean titles.
Posted By: ssj

Re: New dumps - 03/10/18 01:42 AM

There was a similar effort with the DSiWare titles a while back unfortunately I believe many games were left unpreserved. I think this is what will happen with most current systems with all the DLC and online crap, a lot of games will be lost forever.
Posted By: F1ReB4LL

Re: New dumps - 03/10/18 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by ssj
There was a similar effort with the DSiWare titles a while back unfortunately I believe many games were left unpreserved.

Technically, you only need to find people with the needed titles purchased & installed on their DSi's.
Posted By: Bavarese

Re: New dumps - 03/10/18 03:28 PM

Hello,

i currently try to emulate an XT/AT hardware debugger from 1992, fully documented at https://www.heise.de/ct/artikel/HardBreaker-283750.html
(complete with GAL / PLD source).

My naive implementation (-> here) just came to an abrupt end.

Open questions:

- can i determine if an NMI request is already in the queue (determined via INNMI in the OUTNMI equation)?

- is there a method to determine if a DMA request is under way (done via /AEN signal on real hardware)...?

- can a XT style ISA card (like Hardbreaker), limited to 1 Megabyte address space + 64 KB, safely be placed into 'ct486' for tests?

I had quite some problems with the memory handlers (the exact size of the read / write handlers being one).


Is it possible to access the I/O range of the host from a slot?

Also not sure if the current RAM handler is safe when ROM space (or anything != RAM) is encountered on the host.


Translated, bug fixed and commented source for Turbo-Debugger and AFD-Pro here

Logic (abridged):
https://www.dropbox.com/s/iqfkhsyybg7c17t/Hardware_debugger_-_PLD_logic.txt?dl=1

I can provide further translations if necessary.

Please tell me if i try to do something impossible. Help would be very much appreciated.
Posted By: ssj

Re: New dumps - 03/11/18 02:07 AM

Originally Posted by F1ReB4LL
Technically, you only need to find people with the needed titles purchased & installed on their DSi's.

Good luck with that
Posted By: BeckieRGB

Re: New dumps - 03/11/18 03:01 AM

Here's another Zone console, the Zone Mini:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/o2fmagt6947ja5g/zonemini.zip?dl=0

It appears similar to the Zone 40, complete with some kind of encryption.
Posted By: ranger_lennier

Re: New dumps - 03/11/18 04:20 AM

Originally Posted by ICEknight
This may not be of much use for MAME in the near future, but there's just a few weeks left for preserving all the Wii downloadable games and there's currently some efforts being done to complete the sets:
http://romshepherd.com/index.php/topic,3799.180.html

Unfortunately, they seem to have hit a road block with the Korean titles.


I know some MAME users in Korea have helped with getting arcade PCBs from time to time--not sure if anyone is still active. Although I couldn't tell if there was really anything unique missing. Is it just Virtual Console games? (The Virtual Console is where you can buy official emulated games on the Wii.) I'm not sure if the Korean versions would actually be different.
Posted By: ranger_lennier

Re: New dumps - 03/11/18 04:54 AM

Originally Posted by ssj
There was a similar effort with the DSiWare titles a while back unfortunately I believe many games were left unpreserved. I think this is what will happen with most current systems with all the DLC and online crap, a lot of games will be lost forever.


I hadn't realized there were undumped DSiWare games. I never actually got a DSi, but I do love the DS and 3DS. I did a little research on this, and it seems that most games were carried over to the 3DS shop, and people downloaded most (all?) of the incompatible ones that were still available in the DSi shop before it shut down. The problem is that some titles had been removed from the store years earlier, which would make the only way to dump them to find a system that already had them downloaded--not impossible, but definitely tricky, especially for really obscure games that didn't sell that many copies. That's definitely an issue with digital stores. You never know when a company is going to go out of business, someone loses a license, etc.

Another thing I've wondered about is updates. Is anyone archiving different versions of games? For example, Mario Odyssey on the Switch just updated from v1.1 to v1.2. I could delete the update and play v1.0 from my cart, but I don't know of any way to play v1.1 now. This is actually an issue for speed-runners, because some glitches were patched out. Maybe if I'd backed up my SD card I could go back. I haven't actually tried this on the Switch, but I did recently swap to a larger SD card on my 3DS, and I think that would work. Digital data is keyed to your system, so you can't just plug in someone else's SD card, but you can make backups of your own SD card to use on the same physical hardware you originally downloaded the data on.
Posted By: Jarvik7

Re: New dumps - 03/12/18 01:18 AM

Originally Posted by ranger_lennier

Another thing I've wondered about is updates. Is anyone archiving different versions of games? For example, Mario Odyssey on the Switch just updated from v1.1 to v1.2. I could delete the update and play v1.0 from my cart, but I don't know of any way to play v1.1 now. This is actually an issue for speed-runners, because some glitches were patched out. Maybe if I'd backed up my SD card I could go back. I haven't actually tried this on the Switch, but I did recently swap to a larger SD card on my 3DS, and I think that would work. Digital data is keyed to your system, so you can't just plug in someone else's SD card, but you can make backups of your own SD card to use on the same physical hardware you originally downloaded the data on.


I believe NUS allows you to specify the version you want to download. I don't know if anyone is backing up every version though.
This is something that the Sony CDN doesn't let you do, so that is a bigger risk for losing data forever.
Posted By: LoganB

Re: New dumps - 03/12/18 05:58 AM

Originally Posted by Jarvik7
Originally Posted by ranger_lennier

Another thing I've wondered about is updates. Is anyone archiving different versions of games? For example, Mario Odyssey on the Switch just updated from v1.1 to v1.2. I could delete the update and play v1.0 from my cart, but I don't know of any way to play v1.1 now. This is actually an issue for speed-runners, because some glitches were patched out. Maybe if I'd backed up my SD card I could go back. I haven't actually tried this on the Switch, but I did recently swap to a larger SD card on my 3DS, and I think that would work. Digital data is keyed to your system, so you can't just plug in someone else's SD card, but you can make backups of your own SD card to use on the same physical hardware you originally downloaded the data on.


I believe NUS allows you to specify the version you want to download. I don't know if anyone is backing up every version though.
This is something that the Sony CDN doesn't let you do, so that is a bigger risk for losing data forever.

With the Nintendo CDN, you need the titlekey that is provided with a ticket. It's essentially like the RAP for PS3, except it's for the whole file rather than only the EDAT.
Posted By: Arashikage

Re: New dumps - 03/13/18 09:59 AM

Casio RZ-1 (1986), sampling drum machine

NEC uPD7811 CPU with 4K mask ROM ($0000-$0FFF)
Program ROM size of 8K, 64Kbit ($4000-$7FFF)

Two PCM sound ROMS (8-bit audio data, 32KB per ROM -- 64KB total)

The important thing here is that I was able to retrieve the CPU ROM via trojan, so I believe this should be able to be at least partially emulated now. The schematics and service manual are available for the RZ-1 and I don't think there is anything too special about it except the percussion generator ICs.

I have also disassembled the CPU and program ROMs and given them a thorough examination. To the best of my knowledge, they are both fully intact and correct, but there are no checksums available to prove it. The program ROM was just a standard read-out, but the CPU ROM could conceivable be wrong although the interrupt vector and call tables look as I'd expect, so I think it's fine.

There is also no version history available or chip markings on the program ROM, so I'm assuming this is v1.0, first and final, but I can't say for sure.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1fqob221mm5IoZK-XB8VOR60Er7R9PCk9
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 03/13/18 12:40 PM

Thanks Arashikage! Got that stuff downloaded and I'll take a look at it.
Posted By: Duke

Re: New dumps - 03/13/18 12:57 PM

I already started a skeleton driver, I'll commit it in a moment. Feel free to continue working on it.
Posted By: Bavarese

Re: New dumps - 03/13/18 02:08 PM

Duke, could you please have look at the skeleton i sent you via PM?

Driver communication looks good in ct486 (with AFD Debugger), but necessary memory and I/O handlers are borked sick

Help from someone in Germany would be preferred, as articles and source are mostly in German.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/amh0w4wk0mytqvh/AFD-Pro%2BHardbreaker-1992.jpg?dl=0
Posted By: Olivier Galibert

Re: New dumps - 03/14/18 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by Arashikage
The important thing here is that I was able to retrieve the CPU ROM via trojan, so I believe this should be able to be at least partially emulated now. The schematics and service manual are available for the RZ-1 and I don't think there is anything too special about it except the percussion generator ICs.


I doubt there'a anything special about that IC either. I'm pretty sure it's a 4-channel DMA with multiplier, that takes 4 8-bits 20KHz samples from rom or ram and expands them to 10 bits with the volume. It doesn't even have to add them, since it's time-multiplexed. And nothing synthesis-like.

The main program is probably the one giving the addresses, I doubt they froze it in an internal rom.

OG.
Posted By: Arashikage

Re: New dumps - 03/14/18 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by Olivier Galibert
Originally Posted by Arashikage
I don't think there is anything too special about it except the percussion generator ICs.


I doubt there'a anything special about that IC either. I'm pretty sure it's a 4-channel DMA with multiplier, that takes 4 8-bits 20KHz samples from rom or ram and expands them to 10 bits with the volume. It doesn't even have to add them, since it's time-multiplexed. And nothing synthesis-like


Agree. It's just the only thing in the RZ-1 that isn't commonly available as a direct drop-in replacement, but I realize that's more a hardware concern than software. It's function is pretty well documented in the service manual though, so I'm sure that you're right it doesn't pose much of an obstacle.

And by addresses, you're speaking of the offsets for each individual instrument in the sound ROMs?
Posted By: Olivier Galibert

Re: New dumps - 03/14/18 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Arashikage
And by addresses, you're speaking of the offsets for each individual instrument in the sound ROMs?


Yep.
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 03/14/18 03:04 PM

The service manual is surprisingly sparse - do we know what the LCD controller is? I'm guessing it's something off-the-shelf.
Posted By: Duke

Re: New dumps - 03/14/18 03:38 PM

It writes ASCII data.

Someone replaced the display on one here: http://r-massive.cellarseer.com/casio-rz-1-backlight/, but the page is a bit unclear. Is it HD44780 + HD44100H?
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 03/14/18 03:59 PM

There's an ASCII data bus (shared with the button matrix) and 3 or 4 control lines. Which sounds familiar-ish about other LCDCs already implemented in MAME.
Posted By: Arashikage

Re: New dumps - 03/14/18 09:53 PM

The chips are HD44780A30 + HD44100H.
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 03/15/18 12:05 AM

Perfect, thanks! Conveniently, we already have an HD44780 emulation.
Posted By: Arashikage

Re: New dumps - 03/16/18 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by Olivier Galibert
The main program is probably the one giving the addresses, I doubt they froze it in an internal rom.


Not that there was much doubt, but I just confirmed this, and you are correct. There is a table in program ROM, so the percussion generator appears to be fully "dumb", which makes total sense since that IC was used in a few other similar but not totally identical devices.
Posted By: Arashikage

Re: New dumps - 03/16/18 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by Duke
I already started a skeleton driver, I'll commit it in a moment. Feel free to continue working on it.


I just reviewed your committed skeleton driver and noticed a mistake (not your fault as the service manual is incorrect!)

The service manual omits KC4 but it should be this:

KI 5 - CHAIN/BEAT
KI 4 - INSERT/AUTOCOMP
KI 3 - DELETE
KI 2 - EDIT/RECORD
KI 1 - SONG
KI 0 - PATTERN
Posted By: Duke

Re: New dumps - 03/16/18 09:11 AM

Hello Arashikage,

this has already been corrected: https://git.redump.net/mame/commit/?id=fe42c734f0ca9909959d3660185675b88d3e9277
Posted By: Luigi30

Re: New dumps - 04/08/18 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by Just Desserts


The NUON architecture makes a lot more sense if you haphazardly insert the phrase "because the drugs told us to" at the end of various sentences in the document.

"Instructions are encoded into instruction packets. Each instruction packet contains from one to five instructions, each for a different function unit, because the drugs told us to."

"A packet may contain instructions for any combination of function units. Instruction packets are therefore of variable length, from a minimum of sixteen bits to a maximum of one hundred and twenty-eight bits, because the drugs told us to."


I’ve done Jaguar homebrew, this works for that too.
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 04/26/18 05:04 PM

Can't remember if it was @mixmaster or @shattered who asked for a dump of the Conner CP-2024 2.5" AT/XT-IDE harddisk's firmware ... TeamE dumped it's up on the FTP now and can be found here.

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Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 05/06/18 08:53 PM

Some time ago I relayed ROMs dumped from the Olympia Olytext 20 text processing system. Yesterday I finally got hold of a complete system that included the hitherto elusive system disk. Its ROMs are identical to the ones posted previously.

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The main unit is contained in a relatively small but heavy metal case that is shared between the Olytext 20 and 30 models. While the Olytext 30 is an XT compatible with a Z80 daughter card that would need to be emulated to run the proprietary word processor of the Olytext 30, the Olytext 20 is a genuine Z80 machine with 128K RAM and two 3.5" floppy disk drives (using 80 tracks, 16 sectors/track, 256 bytes/sector).

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The peripherals are an amber composite monitor, a keyboard with special keys for the word processing application and some sort of typewriter or printer, in this case an Olympia ESW 2000 C daisywheel printer that speaks Diablo.

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The Olytext application is a proprietary affair that maintains file compatibility with earlier Olympia applications and can drive some Olympia electronic typewriters as printers. While CP/M was already way past its prime by the time the system was released (1986), this whole "computer" affair was still a mystery to a company that had been among the world's top three office automation systems manufacturers at the end of the 1960s. Instead of opening up to the possibilities of computers, they treated them as ever more complicated extensions to typewriters.

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Files are as always on the FTP and here.
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 05/06/18 11:25 PM

I can't fiddle with this right now but here's the basic hardware: Z80, 2xZ80 PIO, Z80 SCC (8530), NS405-B18N video controller.
Posted By: Edstrom

Re: New dumps - 05/07/18 08:14 AM

Is the Diablo interface serial or some ribbon cable? Old style Diablos used a proprietary ribbon cable or was equipped with a serial extension card that could communicate with any standard machine.

It would be of interest to me to know what Diablo model the printer is based on, it is probably on a label near the print wheel if you lift the cover. t could also just be Diablo command compatible of course
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 05/07/18 10:51 AM

From what I could gather it’s Diablo 630 command compatible and was offered with IEEE-488, serial and Centronics interfaces, this specimen uses the latter.
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 05/07/18 12:36 PM

Yeah, most early 80s daisywheel printers were Diablo 630 command compatible regardless of interface (parallel was most common IIRC, but RS-232 and IEEE-488 existed too).
Posted By: ICEknight

Re: New dumps - 05/07/18 12:37 PM

In case that somebody is interested:
https://twitter.com/byuu_san/status/947859788993564672?s=19
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Friendly 2018 reminder: I'm still desperate to get the Bandai Wonderswan+Color IPLROMs (system boot ROMs) dumped. I'll contribute hardware+funds to anyone who can try to help make this happen.
Posted By: judge

Re: New dumps - 05/07/18 12:54 PM


And for completeness, dumps from the wonderscan crystal would be nice too laugh
We were only able to find the bit of code in ram that disabled the system rom, nothing of the system rom itself. Also attempts to turn it back on didn't work frown

Originally Posted by ICEknight
In case that somebody is interested:
https://twitter.com/byuu_san/status/947859788993564672?s=19
Quote
Friendly 2018 reminder: I'm still desperate to get the Bandai Wonderswan+Color IPLROMs (system boot ROMs) dumped. I'll contribute hardware+funds to anyone who can try to help make this happen.
Posted By: plgDavid

Re: New dumps - 05/07/18 05:26 PM

FYI I sent my dead Wonderswan CPU to furrtek, and he decapped it. (and no I didnt do it for money smile
https://twitter.com/furrtek/status/987708695126724608
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 05/09/18 06:17 PM

The Olytext 20's manual is on the FTP now - unfortunately there are almost no technical details, it's mainly about the Olytext application.
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 05/17/18 06:01 PM

I got the Olytext 20 and the Brother SK-64 that yielded the ROMs I posted last year in this thread. This one is working so I can show more screenshots from the machine. On the word processing disk I have is a pared down version of CP/M that allows the user to access the command line but has the usual utilities (PIP, STAT, FORMAT ... ) conflated into a menu driven affair.

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Is that little "OLY" on the right side of the menu title simply a special character or an indication of graphics capabilities?


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Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 05/17/18 06:42 PM

It's probably part of the font, but it's hard to tell for sure from just screenshots.
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 05/17/18 09:40 PM

Motivated by having the Olytext 20 up and running, I brought out the Olytext 30 again, presented here. The power switch is faulty, and I had no EGA monitor handy, so I bridged the switch and changed the EGA card for an 8bit VGA one (cf. http://forums.bannister.org//ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=81246#Post81246)

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Please forgive the crappy screenshots, the monitor is somewhat inaccessible atm ...

The VGA card dominates the POST screen, so I have no idea what the original EGA would look like (its ROM is dumped though and included in the Olytext 30 files). I like it because its font is different from more run-of-the-mill cards. You can still see the AEG Olympia boot message.

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The Olytext 30 needs an XT keyboard, an AT one yields an error message on the POST screen, way before the message of the Cherry keyboard driver appears.

Starting the Olytext word processor ... it won't run without its Z180 coprocessor card.

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And here it is in all its glory, looking a lot like the CP/M based Olytext II from the Olytext 20:

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Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 05/25/18 08:10 AM

A guy over at the German vintage computer forum is restoring a Nixdorf Quattro 7 computer. He's posted the ROM contents for the CPU board, the floppy controller and the Terminal.

https://forum.classic-computing.org/forum/index.php?thread/13770-nixdorf-8870/&pageNo=1

https://forum.classic-computing.org...8-wiederbelebung-nixdorf-8870-quattro-7/
Posted By: Lord Nightmare

Re: New dumps - 05/25/18 08:54 AM

Unfortunately I can't get at the files on that forum without registering, can you grab them and rehost them somewhere else?

LN
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 05/26/18 08:43 AM

I have the ROMs and will upload them, I'm just waiting for the guy's permission to include his photos in the archive.
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 05/26/18 09:57 PM

Photos and ROMs are on the FTP now.
https://www.8870adventures.com/ has some documentation.

Nixdorf's 8870s were a line of office/small business computers with various degrees of multiuser capabilities. They were running applications
in a business BASIC dialect.

The Quattro/7 is the result of mid 80's miniaturization efforts, just before PCs took over.

This particular machines consists of the following boards:
PSU Einschub (03141 02)
CPU/twin ALME port board (1543 03) mit 1MB VLSI Memory
Winchester and floppy disk controller (2538 03)
4 channel ALME board (1882 01)
20MB Harddisk (06259 00)

DAP4 Display-Arbeitsplatz mit Tastatur (Z80 based terminal, main 25xx ROM to be dumped later)

The archive contains ROMs from the CPU and floppy boards and what looks like a character ROM from the DAP4 terminal.
Toshi is going to try to read out the hardddisk with the MFM emulator board.

The CPU is said to be of Data General (nova???) descent.
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 06/12/18 12:27 PM

Coming soon: Husky Hunter 16

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I'll send one to TeamE soon for dumping the BIOS and ROM drive, this thing has a V25 CPU, 2MB RAM and DOS 3.3 in ROM.

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There's a Husky Hunter 16/80 as well sporting a full CGA resolution display, but this plain Hunter 16 uses a 240x64 quarter CGA display like the Z80 Hunters.
Posted By: ICEknight

Re: New dumps - 06/15/18 02:32 PM

A previously undocumented revision of Hattrick Hero '95 has just been dumped:
https://twitter.com/Artemio/status/1007476770206093312
Posted By: BeckieRGB

Re: New dumps - 07/08/18 06:54 AM

I have another dump from another Zone console, the Zone 3D:

BIOS image: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mletc8ojy8sijny/zone3d.rom.zip?dl=0
SD card image: https://www.dropbox.com/s/2lxn1funxazbw3h/zone3d.img.zip?dl=0
SD card CHD: https://www.dropbox.com/s/tssnyqp8mczg5rq/zone3d.chd.zip?dl=0
Everything: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ux5vgfhbe98bb83/zone3d.all.zip?dl=0

The Zone 3D uses the Sunplus SPG293, a relative of the SPG290 used in the Mattel HyperScan. The SPG29x series uses a different instruction set from the earlier Sunplus chips used in the Vii, Wireless 60, Zone 60, V.Smile, etc. (The instruction set used in the SPG29x is called S+core while the earlier instruction set is called µ'nSP.) I suspect the same SPG293 processor or a relative is used in the other Wireless and Zone consoles yet to be emulated (Wireless Air 60, Wireless, Zone 40, etc.).

This system is surprisingly well-designed for what it is, and quite possibly the best "worst console ever" I have encountered so far. VGA output! An SD card! A chip count of over 3! The chip I believe to be the video processor is labeled 3DVII-VP80 which is particularly amusing, and leads me to believe the Zone series is the true successor to the Chintendo Vii.
Posted By: BeckieRGB

Re: New dumps - 07/16/18 04:38 PM

Here's another handheld, the Reactor Handheld 120 Built-in Games by Jungle Soft / Headline Products Ltd in 2011:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/yyy23q116jntj27/react120.zip?dl=0

Looks like it's one of those more advanced Famiclone systems.
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 07/29/18 08:24 AM

TeamE's dumped a Brother LW-700i typewriter or "word processor" with a LCD display and floppy disk drive.

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As always, files are on the FTP and here.
Posted By: Duke

Re: New dumps - 07/29/18 11:37 AM

- H8/3008 CPU
- HD63266F FDC
- XC4010 FPGA
- 2x A5817SEP line decoder/driver
- 2x 128 KB RAM
- 2 MB ROM
- Beeper
- 2x PAL
- Unknown NEC chip (can't read markings)
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 07/29/18 01:01 PM

That's adorable. The 63266F manual seems a bit hard to find (the 3 page data sheet that says almost nothing is common though).
Posted By: Stiletto

Re: New dumps - 07/29/18 02:11 PM

oh yes, please bring on retro "word processor" electronic typewriter emulation! That will be great. smile

Will look for HD63266F manual. smile
Posted By: crazyc

Re: New dumps - 07/29/18 02:35 PM

Here's the hd63265 manual, http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/...sk_Controller_Users_Manual_2ed_Mar89.pdf . It looks like a 765 variant with some different commands.
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 07/29/18 02:37 PM

@stiletto RB already did a skeleton of the Sharp Fontwriter FW-700, but there are dumps for a Fontwriter FW-600 on the FTP as well, alone, cold, unloved, sob!!! grin
Posted By: Stiletto

Re: New dumps - 07/29/18 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by crazyc
Here's the hd63265 manual, http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/...sk_Controller_Users_Manual_2ed_Mar89.pdf . It looks like a 765 variant with some different commands.


Yes, I found my way to this:
https://yamahamusicians.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=4181
and their advice was to use the timing diagrams from the earlier HD63265 and make educated guesses for the rest of it.
Otherwise, more informative datasheet on HD63266 hasn't turned up yet.

Here's two pages I haven't seen before though (neat book! HD63265 two-page sheet is on the pages before):
https://archive.org/stream/Microcom...puterPeripheral_LSI_Manual1997#page/n183

https://electrelic.com/electrelic/node/689 has a little on what the differences between them are.
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 07/29/18 08:14 PM

Duke typo'd, it's an H8/3003, not 3008. Same as the 3002 with 2 more DMA channels and 2 more external IRQs.
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 07/30/18 02:26 AM

Also...

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Posted By: Duke

Re: New dumps - 07/30/18 01:03 PM

Awesome, that was fast smile
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 07/30/18 01:17 PM

It hits what appears to be some sort of protection after that, but we'll see.
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 07/30/18 11:30 PM

Not protection, more like a debug mode I misunderstood.

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Much better.
Posted By: Stiletto

Re: New dumps - 07/31/18 12:22 AM

Originally Posted by R. Belmont
Not protection, more like a debug mode I misunderstood.

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Much better.


Don't forget to give it that TIcalc/GameBoy LCD treatment. smile
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 07/31/18 12:32 AM

And more.

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ETA: I found the config switch!

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Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 07/31/18 03:24 PM

That's great, RB! While neither as interesting or versatile as PCs, those things were an important intermediate step for some people.
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 08/03/18 02:50 AM

Figured out a bunch of the keyboard matrix.

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Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 08/03/18 06:58 PM

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My choice of words for this message was still somewhat limited smile
Posted By: incog

Re: New dumps - 08/06/18 07:55 PM

Apple eMate 300 dump: https://uploadfiles.io/gnuho
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 08/09/18 04:31 PM

You know it's rare if the only reliable picture you can find online is a low resolution one on a German Ebay link aggregator site ...

https://picclick.de/Minolta-PCW-3-302592823215.html

On behalf of TeamE I've posted ROMs and pictures for a Minolta PCW-3 office system (looks like a PC/typewriter combo in the vein of the Olytext 20) on the FTP and here.

There's another German site by a couple who are tentatively collecting information about the PCW-1, and that is a 186 PC running on DOS 2.11. I've sent them an email ... let's see if something transpires.
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 08/21/18 09:17 AM

I finally had the courage to tear apart the BASF Digilog 7120 I got a few months ago.

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It turned out to be easier than I thought because the whole monitor/disk drive frame flips up and supports itself in that rails contraption on both sides - pretty cool, but the machine is still a major PITA to work on.

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Before I open it up again to dump the keyboard controller EPROM (a 2708, no less), I need help identifying this chip

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in case it needs to get dumped as well.
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 08/23/18 03:55 PM

I've uploaded photos, some documentation and dumps of the various PROMs, EPROMs and PALs found on the BASF 7120's boards ... it would be great if someone could take a look in case I missed something.
I've searched available Motorola documentation from the 1980 timeframe, but I couldn't find the above IC. Files are on the FTP and here.
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 11/30/18 06:07 PM

A guy on the German VzEkC forum documented his PDC Clipper and put the files on his FTP.

ftp://ftp.dreesen.ch/PDC_Clipper/Pics/20181127_155004.jpg

This is a C64 mainboard mated with new ROMs, an electroluminescence display, a 3" floppy drive and optional BTX module with acoustic coupler put into a nice briefcase. He's provided ROM and disk dumps, documentation and pictures.

I've put the stuff on the MAME ftp as well, crediting him in the archive.
Posted By: ICEknight

Re: New dumps - 02/24/19 12:33 AM

Just spotted a ROM dump of an Argentinian TK90X-A (according to this post, the Brazilian one is a TK90X-B and has more internal differences than just the ROM), which can be downloaded here: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/vqoi6b4kaijy0id/AACIp5U8TA895f8Na0JoILYxa

Real hardware footage, here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlGKMOmk9Wg

Sources: this tweet and this post
Things that she mentions:
-The computer is not necessarily faulty even if it shows some corrupted attributes on startup (other TK90Xs she had did similar stuff).
-That model has black keys, which makes it from 1985-1986 (later models were released with grey keys).
-This ROM displays a "Ejecutado 0:1" message instead of "OK 0:1" as in other dumped versions.
-She dumped this ROM via software using a "SAVE" command, recording the audio, converting to TZX and then trimming the data.
-The "Portuguese" ROM in the download link is a one-byte modification that she made herself. Not sure how MAME handles this kind of variations (would it just change that specific byte from the "Machine Configuration" menu instead of using a modded ROM? Also, a Brazilian version with that ROM revision might not actually exist..).

EDIT: Oh, just remembered that the Amstrad CPC may be a similar case, with the different manufacturer names.
Posted By: ICEknight

Re: New dumps - 03/20/19 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by rganders
I've also found this...which is some sort of prototype device built by Interactive Network. They had a brief working relationship with Sega and Sega Channel. The idea was to build a way to send scores back to a central hub for contests. They did something similar with people competing while watching game shows and such at home but in limited markets. It obviously didn't make it very far, but have been trying to fill in the gaps on info on the unit. I actually will be taking it to a friend this month or so who will dump it to see what code is there on the ROM chip.
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Originally Posted by rganders
So here is the link to the .bin of the chip that was dumped. It doesn't do much and obviously won't actually load. It looks like there is a chip such as perhaps a BIOs, as well as a CPU and other components missing.

Raw Dump: http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=61035712587583450906

With ByteSwap: http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=93571807841560828608

Feel free to have at it and see if there's any info to be had. I doubt the prototype ever really becomes working again, but worth it to archive the code.



Source.
Posted By: Haze

Re: New dumps - 03/20/19 01:49 PM

at best it looks like some kind of graphic rom

at worst, bad dump / fried chip

note, there's a Dallas DS5003FP and battery on there too, which I can only assume is somehow related to the DS5002FP suicide chip you find on Gaelco boards etc. I can also only assume the code is/was in the SRAM, and is probably long dead. If the battery voltage is >2.8 (and at no time has anybody removed the battery or accidentally triggered the suicide mechanism, which can happen if you so much as look at it funny) then the sram might in theory still contain the code, and the dallas might in theory still contain the key for it, but if it's been sat disused for so long, in unknown conditions, that's kinda unlikely.

it is likely that all the code was in the SRAM anyway and all that is dumped is something display related.


Posted By: ICEknight

Re: New dumps - 03/20/19 06:33 PM

More from where that came from, so that it doesn't get lost:
Originally Posted by rganders
While getting that Sega Channel related device dumped, I also got another oddball cartridge dumped. The cart is plain and only has a "Universal Driver Test Program" label on the front. It will run in emulators and on an Everdrive. The only screen moves a cursor with the d-pad while changing values on screen and also changes values when a button is pressed. As far as we could tell, it was used to demonstrate and test controllers and peripherals. The code even mentions the Activator and the Mega Mouse.

http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=94446150587518812349

There is another version of this ROM out there (Version 4.0), but given the earlier date and lack of version number on this one...it could possible be V1.0. If anyone has a concrete idea as to what this was for, I'd love to know. Otherwise, feel free to mess around with it!

Originally Posted by rganders
Originally Posted by Xeta
It seems as if it's just a developer tool meant for quickly referencing joypad input and screen positions, and was likely used universally by Sega employees. I highly doubt there was any greater purpose than that. Matt Phillips (BigEvilCorporation) wrote something very similar, which can be found on GitHub.

It should also be noted that, in this ROM, the VDP is set to run in H32 mode (a resolution setting that uses a width of 256 pixels - 32 tiles), rather than the commonly used H40 (320 pixels in width - 40 tiles).
Pretty cool tidbit on the VDP. I wasn't expecting some grail item, but always was curious as to what it's actual function and story were. Attempts elsewhere to figure out what this was got me the wise guy answer of "it's a universal driver test program."

Also, images of the cart and such below. I'm not able to use the IMG tag yet, so will have to work with links for the time being.

Cartridge

Board

Source.
Posted By: ICEknight

Re: New dumps - 04/07/19 07:49 PM

Clawgrip just dumped my Mega Key 2 cartridge, which is a region free converter for the Mega Drive/Genesis.
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https://www.mediafire.com/file/t7khvmptrss6y28/megakey2.zip/file
Posted By: Haze

Re: New dumps - 04/09/19 03:18 PM

not really sure how you emulate that. I guess it's similar to the TMSS workarounds some pirate carts use (a PAL that puts certain signals on the bus to trick it)

there's no 68k code or anything in there at least, so unless you emulate at signal level, not sure there is much we can do with this.
Posted By: R. Belmont

Re: New dumps - 04/09/19 09:26 PM

Depends how it's wired. It might check for the address of the region byte in the header and supply something else, which we could emulate. And then it'd be another step in the Sega Stack of Doom.
Posted By: ICEknight

Re: New dumps - 04/18/19 11:04 PM

A new alt version of Tecmo NBA Basketball for NES has been dumped: http://www.filedropper.com/tecmonbabasketballusanes-n7

Info: https://datomatic.no-intro.org/index.php?page=show_record&s=45&n=2819
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 04/23/19 04:59 PM

I've uploaded photos and ROMs from a NEC Pinwriter P6 plus to the FTP.
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 04/24/19 09:10 AM

Another printer: Guys from the German forum have dumped the ROMs from their Commodore MPS 1270 A inkjets - little portable inkjets similar to the Nixdorf MD16/Kodak Diconix 150 that I posted a while ago. I've put the files on the FTP.
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 04/25/19 03:02 PM

I just saw that Robbbert's working on the driver for the Philips P2000T. I had collected some stuff from a P2000_C_ and a P2500 some while ago and I've uploaded it to the FTP.
Posted By: Robbbert

Re: New dumps - 04/25/19 04:09 PM

I'm not working on P2000T. I happened to notice it had a stack underflow on my system instead of starting. An investigation revealed that it only ever worked by chance, so I fixed it.
Posted By: rfka01

Re: New dumps - 04/29/19 06:33 PM

I've uploaded ROMs, photos and documentation for a Loewe Multitel-D BTX terminal.
Posted By: ICEknight

Re: New dumps - 05/12/19 06:31 PM

Just found a website with dumps of the Arabic ZX Spectrum ROMs, here: http://zxspectrum.it.omegahg.com/_SIN.htm

I hadn't even heard of such model(s) existance until today, so I'm not sure if they're just some kind of "homebrew" deal.

Auction for a 128K model: https://www.sellmyretro.com/offer/details/arabic-zx-spectrum+-21813
Arabic +2 model: https://k1.spdns.de/Vintage/Sinclair/86/ZX%20Spectrum%2B2%20(Arabic)/
Arabic +2A model: https://www.nightfallcrew.com/11/08...inclair-spectrum-128k-2a-arabic-version/
Posted By: robcfg

Re: New dumps - 05/12/19 08:24 PM

Habisoft emulated it in his Es.pectrum emulator: http://habisoft.com/irmia/?p=9
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