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OK, I've got the datasheet now and put it on-line.

http://ranger.mameworld.info/uPD78C05A_06A.pdf

The carts haven't actually been dumped yet, but should be available once Guru gets the chance to dump them.

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Originally Posted By judge
Ok, any progress in trying to get the microvision tms1000 games dumped? smile


I've just been waiting to see if Lord Nightmare manages to dump the TMS1000. Most Microvision games use the TMS1100, but that's close enough that hopefully it would be easy to dump afterward.

In the worst case they could be dumped by decapping, since they use maskROM, but with all the information available I imagine that someone electronically inclined could read the data through the test mode.

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I'm just asking since I'm pretty far with making a cpu core for it.

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Originally Posted By judge
I'm just asking since I'm pretty far with making a cpu core for it.


That's great to hear! I'll be glad to loan out some Microvision carts as soon as someone figures out how to dump them.

Eventually, overlay files will also need to be made, because the carts have built-in overlays and some games don't make sense without them.

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At Stiletto's suggestion, I contacted John Dyer, who is familiar with old NEC microcontrollers, to find out about the chip in the Epoch Game Pocket Computer. Here are some of his comments. Of particular interest, he confirms that the chip uses maskROM, and says he might be able to figure out how to trojan it if the game ROMs are dumped. I need to check with Guru to see if he's ever dumped those carts.

"I have experience working with NEC microprocessors as a software engineer and worked for the local representative of 2 japanese companies that used NEC microprocessors. The 78C06 is not a member of the uCOM87 family but is related to an earlier
family based on the uPD7801/uPD7800. The instruction set is similar but much simpler than the 78C10 family.
The 78C06 has 4k bytes of mask rom, the 78C05 is the romless part. As far as I am aware, there is no easy way to read the chips rom unless there is external eprom which would allow you to gain control of the processor. The main advantage of the 78C06 over the 7801 is that it is a low power
cmos version designed for use in portable equipment etc.

The information I have is taken from the 1983/84 NEC Microcomputers Databook. If you require further information, I am happy to oblige."

"There are no differences between 78C06 and 78C05, its just that the 78C05 has no internal rom. If the game box uses a rom cart then you have a means of gaining control of the processor.

I used exactly this technique in the early 1980's - by attaching a uart like the 8251 to the address and data bus, I was able to catch the cpu and execute a simple program (hand assembled) to
dump the internal rom out the serial port.

If you have difficulty identifying the code from the cart then I may be able to help, if you can email me the binary code from the cart, I can disassemble it to identify the entry points.
Although its quite a long time ago since I worked on the 7801 I still have all the tools I used back then including assemblers and disassemblers etc."

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Resurrecting a 9.5 year old thread for: Does Guru still have those carts? I suspect the upd78c06 may have some sort of debug/dump mode like the mc6801 does, so may not require a decap to read out...
And it should share the upd7801 cpu core, so we already have that covered.

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yes, I still have them. I've been waiting around 9 years for someone to contact me about trojans. nothing yet.....

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