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vectrex #113685
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Hi

I recently tried to run Karl Quappe on mame, but the driver seems to use the mouse to move around, thus you can't really play the game, or any game really on mame's vectrex driver.

Is there any way to get mame to use the keyboard for movement (or joystick, tried it but it didn't work)

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Originally Posted by Kaylee
Hi

I recently tried to run Karl Quappe on mame, but the driver seems to use the mouse to move around, thus you can't really play the game, or any game really on mame's vectrex driver.

Is there any way to get mame to use the keyboard for movement (or joystick, tried it but it didn't work)



I tried a game, Berzerk, and it seemed to control just fine. If the crosshairs are on screen (I think by default they are), you can enter the TAB menu -> Crosshair Options -> P1 Visibility to OFF.

Re: vectrex [Re: Kaylee] #113687
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The Vectrex uses an analog joystick, so the analog stick on a modern PS3/4 or Xbox 360/One type of controller is your best option for authentic play.

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Originally Posted by R. Belmont
The Vectrex uses an analog joystick, so the analog stick on a modern PS3/4 or Xbox 360/One type of controller is your best option for authentic play.

thanx seems something was wrong, didn't want to work this morning, deleted my cfg/ini files still didn't want to, redownloaded the source and compiled, and still didn't want to work, make a post and *poof* it suddenly decide to work

Re: vectrex [Re: Kaylee] #114442
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I have played a bit with Vectrex programming recently using MAME as my prime target, of course. Out of curiousity I dusted of the old ParaJVE emulator known to be Vectrex hackers long term favorite to get some indication if what I coded was sane or MAME specific before going to real Vectrex hardware. To my surprise the test app I have written didn't work, in fact not even close, so I more quickly than planned unpacked one of my Vectrex machines and put the binary onto a Mateos burner Vectrex cartridge and inserted it:

[video:youtube]https://youtu.be/vCqv-QaAFzk[/video]

As you can see MAME is doing the right thing, and is a better Vectrex emulator on this particular piece at least. Sorry for hijacking the thread but I thought we need a generic Vectrex thread and the name of this thread works for me, please move it to a new thread if needed.

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I'd hope we're better than an emulator that old, but then again the Vectrex driver hasn't gotten significant work in forever either (although it did inherit the new cycle-accurate 6809 core).

Re: vectrex [Re: Kaylee] #114446
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Yeah, I just wanted to do some good feedback too smile I guess all official releases of Vectrex software do great in ParaJVE as well as those homebrew developed specifically for ParaJVE.

From emulation point of view I wonder how many homebrew actually work both in hardware and in MAME, I bet there are a few that doesn't work in either and if I find one that do work on hardware it can find few quirks in MAME emulation.

Or did someone already go through all those for this purpose?

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I wouldn't guarantee anything homebrew running on hardware, especially not if an inaccurate emulator has been dominating the scene for any period of time, see the problems with the SNES scene and homebrew / hacks done with ZSNES, to the point where the better emulators have had to add a 'broken emulation, simulate ZSNES' mode just because idiots were complaining so much that their hacks no longer worked.

To be fair, it's a problem with a lot of arcade stuff developed using MAME because MAME doesn't emulate a lot of hardware limits / exact timings (because they're unknown, and can't really be worked out without extensive testing on hardware)

Testing everything on real hardware would of course be interesting.


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All i can say, is that the homebrew vectrex scene is very vivid and most of them use Parajve as their Emulator and of course the homebrews work on original hardware too.
There at least 4-5 new games each year, that are worth playing.

Just google Vector Pilot and Vector Patrol. The good Thing with homebrews for vectrex is, that there are many titles, that are better than any original games released for the vectrex, not to mention the Great music scores, far better than any original game, which consist only of bleeps and Clonk sounds.

PS: best facebook vectrex group on planet:
Vectrex fans United!
All developers are there and everyone is willing to help, just give it a try.

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Re: vectrex [Re: Kaylee] #114481
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Yeah, but I am only interested in proper emulation of the real hardware, not games with built in bugs just because they use a buggy paraJVE as their main target, they can be as helpful as they want but it is not Vectrex games they are developing if they can't be played on the real hardware, it is paraJVE games. So my post was just showing MAME being a better emulation and to trigger a fix for the paraJVE if possible, but chances are they will not fix it because it may break all the games relying on it.... but if they do more games can be played on the Vextrex hopefully. We'll see what happens, I will use MAME as my dev emulator in any case, because it is better and I am used to it. smile

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