8bit Apples - Apple I, II, /// and the 16 bit GS

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Re: 8bit Apples - Apple I, II, /// and the 16 bit GS rfka01 #118308 01/06/21 01:16 PM
Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 17,217 Likes: 234 USA R R. Belmont Very Senior Member
R. Belmont Very Senior Member R Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 17,217 Likes: 234 USA	If it's 4K it probably can't be read in its entirety from software. Do they know someone with a TL-866 or something?

Re: 8bit Apples - Apple I, II, /// and the 16 bit GS rfka01 #118311 01/06/21 11:41 PM
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Golden Child Very Senior Member G Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 1,102 Likes: 173	something I'm working on: the buffered grappler - it has a 16/32/64k built-in printer buffer driven by an 8048 with 1k of rom. I think I've got the 8048 code mostly figured out, now to make a working driver... 8-) After initializing the "registers" (first 31 bytes of memory), it figures out how many 4164 chips you have installed, 2 for 16k, 4 for 32k and 8 for 64k. If you have 2 4164 chips, it builds up a byte by getting 2 bits from each address. If 4 4164 chips, you have to read 2 different addresses and build a byte from 4 bits in each address. The simplest routine is when you have 64k installed and you can just read a byte from a single address. I think it's basically the same design used for the standalone bufferboard that could interface with other manufacturers' parallel cards. Last edited by Golden Child; 01/06/21 11:55 PM.

Re: 8bit Apples - Apple I, II, /// and the 16 bit GS rfka01 #118312 01/07/21 02:13 AM
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 2,598 Likes: 301 Sydney, Australia Vas Crabb Very Senior Member
Vas Crabb Very Senior Member Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 2,598 Likes: 301 Sydney, Australia	Do you actually have a dump of the 8048?

Re: 8bit Apples - Apple I, II, /// and the 16 bit GS rfka01 #118313 01/07/21 02:50 AM
Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 17,217 Likes: 234 USA R R. Belmont Very Senior Member
R. Belmont Very Senior Member R Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 17,217 Likes: 234 USA	Yes, we have a dump of the 8048. GC's been on a bit of a spree buying and dumping cards.

Re: 8bit Apples - Apple I, II, /// and the 16 bit GS rfka01 #118314 01/07/21 03:08 AM
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 2,598 Likes: 301 Sydney, Australia Vas Crabb Very Senior Member
Vas Crabb Very Senior Member Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 2,598 Likes: 301 Sydney, Australia	Can you send it my way? I'll add the buffered grappler myself after I get through the current pile of stuff.

Re: 8bit Apples - Apple I, II, /// and the 16 bit GS Vas Crabb #118315 01/07/21 03:24 AM
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Golden Child Very Senior Member G Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 1,102 Likes: 173	I'm sure you could do a better driver than me, Vas 8-)

Re: 8bit Apples - Apple I, II, /// and the 16 bit GS rfka01 #118316 01/07/21 04:19 AM
Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 17,217 Likes: 234 USA R R. Belmont Very Senior Member
R. Belmont Very Senior Member R Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 17,217 Likes: 234 USA	Sent :-)

Re: 8bit Apples - Apple I, II, /// and the 16 bit GS rfka01 #118368 01/09/21 04:18 PM
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OP rfka01 Very Senior Member Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,179 Likes: 17 Bavaria	A guy on the German VzEkC forum documented his "California Computer Systems - CCS 7811B Arithmetic Processor Card". The matching disk image is in the Applesauce collection. I've uploaded the information to the FTP. NCR DMV- DEC Rainbow- Siemens PCD- ITT 3030-Oly People- Acorn A5000- Olivetti M20

Re: 8bit Apples - Apple I, II, /// and the 16 bit GS rfka01 #118389 01/10/21 07:41 PM
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OP rfka01 Very Senior Member Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,179 Likes: 17 Bavaria	In post #118308 RB suggested getting an eprom reader to the guy with the Basis 108 diagnostic disk controller. I've lent them mine, and it would be great if someone could do a sanity check on the resulting file (it's on the FTP) while they still have access to it. NCR DMV- DEC Rainbow- Siemens PCD- ITT 3030-Oly People- Acorn A5000- Olivetti M20

Re: 8bit Apples - Apple I, II, /// and the 16 bit GS

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One thing you can try is to run unidasm on it and see if it looks like valid 6502 code:

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./unidasm -arch m6502 Dumpling-GX-ROM-2732.BIN -basepc c800

c800-cfff is a 2k rom region where expansion card roms will appear so if you want to see if the next 2k bank will slot in

Code

./unidasm -arch m6502 Dumpling-GX-ROM-2732.BIN -basepc c800 -skip 0x800

and one thing I like to do is to run a little lua program to see if there's any strings lurking with the high bit set:

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f = io.open("Dumpling-GX-ROM-2732.BIN")  a=f:read("*a") print(a:len()) for i=0,a:len()-1 do c = a:byte(i+1) if (i%64 == 0) then print() io.write(string.format("%4x",i)..": ") end c = c % 128 if c>=32 and c<=126 then io.write(string.char(c)) else io.write(".") end if c==0x1b then io.write("ESC") end end print()

one liner expanded to multiple lines:

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f = io.open("Dumpling-GX-ROM-2732.BIN")  
a=f:read("*a") 
print(a:len()) 
for i=0,a:len()-1 do 
  c = a:byte(i+1) 
  if (i%64 == 0) then print() io.write(string.format("%4x",i)..": ") end 
  c = c % 128 
  if c>=32 and c<=126 then io.write(string.char(c)) else io.write(".") end 
  if c==0x1b then io.write("ESC") end 
end 
print()

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