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#14603 04/06/06 07:15 PM
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I think this is a good move for Apple, and it's going to sell more Macs for them. I ran into two examples at work yesterday.

First, we're looking into adding a new computer lab for running Maya, and the plan to this point has been to get PCs. One of the reasons for this is that by the time we can purchase them, the G5s will be gone from Apple's line-up, and Autodesk hasn't announced a Universal version of Maya yet (if ever). Now, this gives us an opportunity to get Macs, and still run Maya on them whether or not a Universal version is released. So there's a potential of 30+ Macs right there that wouldn't have been purchased otherwise.

Second, one of my co-workers is a long-time Windows user, and is one of the only people in my department with a PC on her desk (we're almost completely Mac-based). But now, she wants to get an Intel MacBook because she can still run Windows most of the time, but also start learning OS X and be able to integrate with what we're doing on Macs.

Good for Mac gaming? I don't know. I almost never buy Mac games anyway (sorry Brad), but that's because when I buy games, I buy them for my PS2. Certainly, I think that if it's easy to install Windows, if Windows runs well, if Mac users can stomach running Windows, and the Mac port of a new game is nine months down the road, then yes - this could hurt some sales of Mac games. But I think most Mac users who are hard-core gamers already own a PC or console and do most of their gaming there anyway. So if anything, this may sell more Macs to those gamers who just buy PCs for gaming machines, which is a good thing.

What I think is really needed from the Mac gaming community is more original games for the Mac. (Yes... I'm still pining for an OS X version of Battle-Girl.) Then as the Mac market grows (and I think it will), there will be games compelling enough for users to boot into OS X and stay there awhile.

The other thing to remember here though, is that right now, only a very small percentage of Mac users have Intel Macs. So there's time to see the effects of this transition, and plan accordingly. It's not going to be all-Intels overnight.


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But are those the users that would buy brad's games anyway?
If you're a 12 year old kid whose friends live and breathe CounterStrike and your parents have an Intel Mac, how long do you suppose it would be before that Mac is dual-booting to shut the kid up? Never underestimate the power of a spoiled brat. wink [/QB]
a) The computer would probably stay in windows all the time ( especially for games ).

b) I don't believe they would have bought an intel mac in the first place ( never underestimate the power of saving $'s ).

I still think it was a bad idea for anyone to ever do it, it's not even clever as it's just a slightly non-standard pc in a nice case.

I'm not buying any new hardware until conroe & vista are out of the door.

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The full-size Mactels will probably be Conroe (it makes no sense to introduce them based on any of the Netburst hangovers currently out). Be interesting to see if Apple gets that first too like they did the Core Duo.

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Fast on the heels of Bootcamp comes this similar program . This one comes at a small cost but you don't have to re-boot to switch between machine Os's

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It doesn't support OSX though, and you can download VMWare for free now. (I think MS themselves have a similar free PC-on-PC virtualizer coming out for free, but I don't recall the details).

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And of course, with widows, sorry, windows operating on our Macs, here\'s what else we have to look forward to .
Looks like we gotta take the bad with the bad if we want to live in both centuries.

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If anyone wants to know how WinXP on iMacs runs Half Life 2, check out this video. It's pretty impressive.

http://www.cabel.name/2006/04/boot-camp-first-look-half-life-2-video.html

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Holy cow - that looks impressive!!!

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I'm not a "hardcore" gamer, so dual booting has little interest for me (actually Intel-based Macs have little interest for me until Rosetta runs PPC games as well as my 1.3GHz G4 does natively). What I think would be a fatal error would be to build in a Windows emulator that enabled Windows applications to run under OS X at native speeds -- now _that_ I think would kill native OS X development.


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Fast on the heels of Bootcamp comes this similar program . This one comes at a small cost but you don't have to re-boot to switch between machine Os's
Yeah, I just tried it. The biggest limitation (aside from no native 3D hardware) is that it only uses virtual disk files. You can't yet read to or write from your hard drives, just the virtual drives you create.

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