You sure are good at being annoying.
Your impressions. We could also say you're annoyed too easily.
You can be perfectly objective here by reporting hard results.
Difference in perceived meaning. "Hard results" when the results is not necessarily meaningful is not true "hard results" imo
For that matter, "chocolate tests good to me" is also an objective report (of a subjective experience).
Ok ok. I don't want to argue semantics.
It's really confusing, since you on the one hand talk of being objective, but then avoid mentioning objective measurements about your system,
I gave all the information I thought was useful. Now if there something I should have mentionned,just ask and I'll asnswer...
and seem in general uninterested in solving the problem you brought up. I don't get it.
Is this with vsync enabled or disabled?!?
In audio_latency, I adjust it to +85 to feel both audio and video are synced.
Disabled. And then I enable it (vsync) and notice the difference... Chill, sheesh. I'm saying that +85 doesn't mean anything. It's just my impression. Someone else, with the same PC and Nestopia settings would probably give you some other numbers...
Based on these values, I calculate that the latency from joypad input to video display on your system is 63 milliseconds,
"My system"... Ok, so..what does "my system" means exactly? Is it my actual PC hardware? Or the results with Nestopia? I mean we could have different definitions of "one's system".
Because like I said, I don't experience this in MESS... So this pretty much remove the possibility that this is hardware related on my end. Unless you're going to argue that my particular hardware/software setups doesn't cope well with the way Nestopia does vsync, but I'd found that extremely suprising...I'm not the only one that noticed the lag anyway with vsync enabled in Nestopia anyway.
and the latency from joypad input to audio output is 148 milliseconds. If you run two audio_latency tests, one with vsync and one without and post the results, we can compare the input->video latencies for both, the ultimate point of the tests.
Most of these "numbers" don't mean anything meaningful. So any "conclusions" you could come up with don't mean anything 'either'.
Sorry, but I find these tests and conclusions similar to something like the "Torah code"...
No only the results varies for everyone,but most importantly 'the results varies every time someone perform the same test'. *You are getting random values(caused by the person and other factors..not the test itself)* in other words. Only the insane try to make sense of random values. And there's not any kind of averaging method you can use to make sense of them either. There.
I think I figured out the reason for your contradictory approach: you're attempting to exert control on the discussion
Oh lord...Re-read your replies sometimes. I couldn't care less about "exercing control on the discussion". Jesus this is getting out of proportion...
and the conclusions we might draw, perhaps thinking that we will draw the wrong ones and not solve your problem.
I'll give you that: That's not a bad hypothesis at all. Except the problem is, I've never had a problem recognizing when the problem is on my end. I know all too well people who just argue and argue refusing to accept that the problem really is with their OS or Ram or they didn't register the program or they don't have the right drivers or they didn't power on their PC etc..
I don't mind if the problem was on my end in fact, I wouldn't mind at all because then I'd 'know' the cause.
But I know for sure your test is not going to shed light on anything. We're not going to determine just how much more lag an USB gamepad have compared to a native Nes gamepad...we're not going to determine if the lag I described with Nestopia only happens on my PC setups or everyone's...we're not gonna determine anything at the end of the day with these tests.
Personally,I would probably try to investigate the vsync code and see if there would be anything that could cause such issues or not. But I figure you're gonna think it extremely insulting and annoying that a non-programmer give his opinion on the matter