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#27284 03/03/07 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted By EMu-LoRd
Originally Posted By R. Belmont
NTSC is the only filter you actually need. If you can't handle what NES games really looked like, don't play 'em .

You can't speak for the majority of people, in my opinion, only for yourself. Of course it's your emulator and of course only you decide how things turn out. It also has nothing to do with if I can or cannot handle it because I also like playing it with the NTSC filter (it's just not my first choice).


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R. Belmont #27292 03/04/07 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted By R. Belmont
This isn't a matter of taste - the NTSC filter is almost exactly what the games truly looked like in the 80s when we were playing them on real h/w.


...if you had an American TV that is.

Still waiting for someone to come up with a PAL filter smile

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Originally Posted By Knurek
Yeah, optional things are good because, as Vic Viper would say, options are good. Different people, different tastes (or filters).

That's what i mean. We are two already thinking the same. You said what i wanted to say with just some lines of text.
I hope there's more people thinking the same thing, 'cause having the possibility of customize the emulator as you want is what makes the emulator a great one more than already is.
Thanks for reading and giving opinions.


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Originally Posted By EMu-LoRd
And... scramble the image?? confused right.

Yes, scramble. After many years, I grew out of the 'image enhancement' thing. MAMEdev's way of thinking is the sort where everyone calls them crazy at first, but eventually come to see that they were actually right all along.

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Still, there's a difference between coming to see the 'right way' and being force to use the 'right way'. smile

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Thanks for the online state save addition!

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Originally Posted By EMu-LoRd
I have been playing since the days of the NES and remember it all too well.


Yes, you're right. The NTSC filter that provides a picture indistinguishable from what a TV tuner would produce isn't actually what the NES looked like. Much unlike modern TVs, in the 80's, TVs actually scaled the image to 1280x960 (or however much) pixels by applying a recursive best-guess algorithm to fill in pixels lacking in the input signal. confused Right.

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I don't think anyone is arguing that 2xSAI filters look more realistic than the NTSC filter. People are just saying they look subjectively better. This is entirely a matter of opinion.

My POV? I'd like to see more realistic emulation of PAL systems, since that's what I actually saw most of the time.

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Originally Posted By Rhapsody
Originally Posted By EMu-LoRd
And... scramble the image?? confused right.

Yes, scramble. After many years, I grew out of the 'image enhancement' thing. MAMEdev's way of thinking is the sort where everyone calls them crazy at first, but eventually come to see that they were actually right all along.


When it comes to arcade games, I tend to agree, but how many people bought Super Nintendo's for the graphically enhanced Super Mario All Stars, with the lost levels added. Nintendo sold me a SNES when they offered me a free Zelda: A Link to the Past, $3.50 for Super Mario All Stars, and $10 Wing Commander, of course I purchased it from Electronics Boutique, but it was Nintendo's deal with EB...

I also like the PC games that have updated Graphics, Doom with Open GL 2 is very nice.

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Although it doesn't make any difference to me (I also don't really use filters other than the NTSC filter), one suggestion that may somewhat help with the graphic filter bloat would be to add support for the render plugins that Kega uses.

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At least this way the filters would all be in external files instead of Nestopia's source itself.

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