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Removing the Windows NewUI input config dialogs? #40642
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How would people feel if I removed Windows MESS's input config dialogs, and just had the menu items fire up what would effectively be MAME input config dialogs.

This would imply consolidating "Options --> Keyboard --> Customize Emulated Keyboard", "Options --> Joysticks" into a single "Options --> Customize Inputs" menu item, and having other menu items like Configuration, DIP Switches etc load their MAME equivalent dialogs.

As some bug reports have suggested, these have never worked well, and maintaining them makes me feel like I'm fighting the Vietnam war.

Re: Removing the Windows NewUI input config dialogs? [Re: Bletch] #40650
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Ideally someone that's not you should maintain the UI, in much the same way that MameUI's maintainers are not MAMEdevs. I can't imagine the chaos if Aaron had to keep an eye on both.

Lacking any volunteers, cutting features and giving more love to the OSD UI seems entirely reasonable.

Re: Removing the Windows NewUI input config dialog [Re: R. Belmont] #40652
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Originally Posted By R. Belmont
Ideally someone that's not you should maintain the UI...


Should I post an ad on Monster.com?

Originally Posted By R. Belmont
I can't imagine the chaos if Aaron had to keep an eye on both.


I can - welcome to my world!

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Re: Removing the Windows NewUI input config dialog [Re: Bletch] #40654
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LOL. "Wanted: UI maintainer. Must work for free and have extensive knowledge of bare Petzold-style[1] Win32" wink

Hey, I did say "ideal", which things rarely are in emulation smile

[1] The new edition of The Petzold Book is C# and WinForms. Sigh...

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Re: Removing the Windows NewUI input config dialog [Re: R. Belmont] #40663
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now that I can only use SDLMESS (being on a Mac) maybe my opinion is not that important, but when I used MESS under windows I never managed to obtain constant satisfactory results by the GUI for inputs configurations, ending up using -nonewui and configuring inputs in the TAB menu wink

so I'd vote for your suggested change

Re: Removing the Windows NewUI input config dialog [Re: etabeta78] #40665
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I vote to scrap MESSUI all together. Most people who use MESS either have a front-end they use or are proficient enough with the command line where a front-end really isn't needed. As RB mentioned as well, expanding on the internal OSD UI from MAME might be the best route - if for nothing else than to help the lead developer keep his sanity smile




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Are we talking about removing both the MESSUI frontend as well as the UI that's enabled by specifying -newui? I'd certainly be all for the latter if not both; honestly, I can't remember the last time I've run MESS without -nonewui.

Re: Removing the Windows NewUI input config dialog [Re: MooglyGuy] #40676
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well, both -newui and messgui can be seen as a more friendly welcome for people coming from other emulator, compared to the inner UI inherited by MAME. I prefer -nonewui, but I find also reasonable to offer all of them: -newui because is a bit easier to use if you're not used to MAME TAB menu system; messgui because is MAME32/UI-like.

nevertheless, in cases like these where it causes both bugs and maintenance problems, I would say: stick as close as possible to MAMEUI and only add the basic config (e.g. keyboard)

Re: Removing the Windows NewUI input config dialog [Re: etabeta78] #40687
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MESSUI is definitely worth keeping, but I must admit that I essentially always use -nonewui (although I do miss features like pasting text). I would agree that it's probably friendlier for new users though, particularly for systems that need the scroll lock toggle.

Re: Removing the Windows NewUI input config dialogs? [Re: Bletch] #40690
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I run SDLMESS more often than MESSUI, and while I like the latter's frontend capabilities, I've found the "newui" not particularly useful.

The point (for me, of course) is that once I have tweaked the driver's setting to my likings I don't need to use it too much (except for the file manager), thus the no-frills interface suits me.

I seem to recall that the aforementioned file manager is the part of the UI that in the past has drawn most of the criticism - maybe I've grown accustomed to it, but I think that a couple of improvements would make it even more practical to use.

What I'd like to see is support in the UI to the features that MESS supports by long time (e.g. RAM size or BIOS).


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