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Hello,

Are possible you will you please me to say me when the next version of whun of emm release will be, I am waited with breathing baited by complete make some hour now, and appreciate extremely behave new to tunes listen,

Cheers,

Six... :what:

(yeah, thats what I thought)

Sorry, I just played sonicbom for the first time and it's put me off Sega music forever

Why do you think I never asked you to support it?

BTW, talking of musical suckage, Im at work so I cant check, but was DD Crew (the set used in M1) a bad dump? Fighting sounds instead of instruments, if not then that still hands down wins teh most sucketh Sega music evah award...

It's probably a bad dump, but either way Sega during the 80s clearly saved the good music for the multi-68k games. System 16/18 can mostly go away and never be heard again. Especially Tetris. Gah!

I'm going to wash my ears out with some Konami now ;-)

While you're mostly correct that a lot of them are pretty crappy, there are some *outstanding* ones (Quartet and Fantasy Zone are both superb examples) and its a tad unfair to compare the ye olde/cheapy uPD7751 with the SegaPCM (or the K007232 for that matter)

Anyways, Turbo Outrun pwns j00 all etc...

Yeah - I actually like some of SDI after hearing Daytona's rendition. Still, GA to GA2 is the most startling upgrade in videogame history simply because of how much better the music is in the sequel :-)

Nemesis to Vulcan Venture, Salamander to Salamander 2

Tsch, and you being the Konami bhiatch, lose 100 game music officianado points for that one

I draw a distinction between hardware upgrades and composition quality upgrades. The original Nemesis had kick-ass tunes on relatively weak hardware, which is why they kept reappearing in various remixed forms for the next 15+ years. In Sega-land, OutRun is clearly the benchmark game here - the original doesn't sound as amazing as it did in 1985, but the tunes themselves are so catchy you don't mind what "hardware" you're hearing them on - 2151+SegaPCM, MultiPCM (OutRunners), nV SoundStorm (OutRun 2), or the SST Band jamming on live instruments.

OTOH, the original GA is fairly "meh" on what at the time was pretty capable hardware (I present Marble Madness and Salamander for unbelievers in the power of the YM2151), while GA2 has much better-composed tunes that fit with and enhance the mood of the game.

Fixated on the word upgraded me

I have the Gradius Collection OST which has all 4 on it and its very interesting to listen to them in a row and see how its progressed, both the composition and the technology, its definitly evolved into more than the various versions of Outrun have (with the exception of Turbo Outrun going off @ 90 degrees) but, as you say, all versions are emmenently listenable to.
In fact the only thing I was disappointed with in Gradius V was the music, not that its bad mind, just that it doesnt touch base much with any of the previous ones (although thats about the only bad thing I can say about whats probably the best shmup ever made, oooo, controversy!)

The 2151 doesnt suck, it does a good job of doing all the horse work for a lot of mid 80's games, but I think the 2203 that Taito tended to use more was a bit nicer, or they were just generally better with it maybe

And the 2610 pwnz it or smth, Ninjawarriors forever

Also, mildly off subject, Konami are the only people I know to have gone backwards with audio technology, it took them a few years to catch up again with Gyruss (who cares if it was a one off)

Totally agreed on G5. It's not quite a true Gradius/Parodius/Salamander game without a remix of the Nemesis volcano boss music

The 2203 and 2610 are both technically inferior to the 2151 and 3834 as pure FM chips, but Zuntata were really damn good with them. Ninjawarriors forever indeed, and I even like the Psychic Force music.

Wow, I always thought the YM2610 was way better than the YM2151.

Where does the YM2612 fit in with all this though? Also, sort of off-topic, but what was the difference between the YM2610 and the YM2610B?

As usual the important part of a post on this thread is missed. "as pure FM chips". The 2610 adds ADPCM channels to make up for the fact that the FM side is essentially the same as the 2203. But a 2151 paired with a quality uncompressed sample player (SegaPCM or Namco C140) will beat the pants off a 2610.

The 2612 is the same chip as the 3834. Nobody's entirely sure why it was made under two part numbers.

Could be something as simple as where it was made, maybe the 2612 was the Japanese plants name and the other one was wherever else.

As for the ADPCM players, like you say, a standalone task specific chip is always going to do a better job than a jack of all trades (something I myself am doing something about..)

As for the difference between the 2610 and 2610B its probably just an updated more integrated version of the same chip, like the pstwo is to the ps2.

The 2610B has one more voice, I can't remember the specifics.

Like, Darth Vader or smth?

I thought the 2612 has an external d/a and the 3834 an internal one, or something like that?

OG.

Well, there's clearly some kind of difference, or MAME wouldn't have separate YM3834 and YM2162 defs, would it?

Not necessarily - MAME's big on accuracy, so we specify the exact part present. In MAME, both defs go to the same exact emulation.

Then... yeah... that is pretty strange.

The analogy is messed up because there is no pstwo :-)

Not being able to take a hard drive is annoying, with the unofficial boot disc + ide interface on the broadband adapter the ps2 was starting to look interesting.

smf

There is a PStwo, it's just Sony didn't call it that even though everyone else already does :-) (Cue a repeat of the "PSX" argument. Better yet, don't).

Anyway, the "original" PS2 is also still sold AFAIK - Square/Enix would revolt otherwise (FF requires the harddisk).

ph33r the weird offtopicness & thread hijack

I imagine they are just clearing stock, but it is a shame about the hard drive. If they'd allowed fitting of a laptop drive even it would have been so sweet.

I've never had a console modified, but I'd love to be able to store ps2 games for quicker load times.

smf

So just buy one of the "old-style" ones, throw in a mod chip and HDD, and get a boot loader.

I was considering a modded v12... nothing like being able to just pop in whatever you'd like to play and have it boot. The booting from HDD thing is very tempting though, even though I don't like the older models much. I love the design of the new one, so it's a shame they took out the ability for HDD add-on. Hopefully Hong Kong will be able to come up with something eventually.

I thought the YM2610 had only 4 FM voices to the YM2610B's 6, while the SSG/ADPCM layout remained the same.

<3 YM2151! Even into the 90's it was the centerpiece of some great soundtracks, including my personal favorite arcade soundtrack!

There's always something to talk about while waiting for a release :p Or an M1 Targets and To-Do List update, heh.

Yeah, the games NMK did for Jaleco had some underrated YM2151 heroics, notably St. Dragon.

Yes of course that is an alternative, but Sony have annoyingly made the new PS2 look almost as cute as the game cube :-)

smf

I am, apparently, the only person in the universe who thinks the GC design is arse, its so tall that it wont fit in most hi-fi units and yet still lets you open the lid in a spirited attempting to take all the skin off your fingers every time you change a disc...

Well, yes, most people don't actually play consoles in a hi-fi unit. (I stack mine in an unused space in it and pull them out for actual use - my A/V receiver has front-panel S-Video and audio jacks so it works out great).