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Re: Apple-1 Cassettes [Re: etabeta78] #76802 02/03/12 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted By etabeta78

EDIT: cool we now have a working BASIC tape! w00t!!!


I think we need to find the flaw that causes the others to fail tho.

I did suspect a mono/stereo thing, but some of the tapes that work are stereo. Maybe something uninitialized, that might explain why one image works for Anon01 and not for the rest of us.

Great to see some tape dumps, even better if it helps uncover a flaw in MESS and gets it fixed ;-)

Re: Apple-1 Cassettes [Re: Haze] #76803 02/03/12 10:51 AM
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Nice Kaylee, it works. smile
It seems mono, 44kHz is more safe.

Re: Apple-1 Cassettes [Re: Anon] #76804 02/03/12 10:56 AM
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I loaded my binary file, and saved it with the command E000.EFFFW

I was then able to load it without issue.

You can get the new wave file from here (for the next 24 hours only)

http://messui.the-chronicles.org/apple1basic.rar


For Haze info: In the source is the threshold for the polarity detection, it is set to 0.0 - adjusting even slightly produces greatly different results. It seems unduly sensitive, so I can only guess that Anonymous01's wav file is on the borderline of acceptability. That is why I got MESS to save a new file which should be 100% reliable.

Also, the Apple1 has no error detection or checksums.. if it loads wrong you won't know till something goes wrong.

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Re: Apple-1 Cassettes [Re: Robbbert] #76805 02/03/12 11:03 AM
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Do the other basic programs work for you?

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Re: Apple-1 Cassettes [Re: Anon] #76806 02/03/12 11:08 AM
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Robbert> yes, but if his wav file works for him then there must be a bug in MESS, results should not be specific to the hardware on which MESS is being run!

Re: Apple-1 Cassettes [Re: Anon] #76807 02/03/12 11:18 AM
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Anonymous01: I loaded and ran Hammurabi, seems fine.

Haze: You could be right.

Re: Apple-1 Cassettes [Re: etabeta78] #76808 02/03/12 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted By etabeta78
Originally Posted By Anonymous01
but are you using ONLY the standard MESS? I ask because something like QMC2 http://qmc2.arcadehits.net/wordpress/about/
could have a negative affect.


in fact, it cannot have *any* negative effect, since it does not interfere at all with the emulator after launching it from command line. anyway, we already sorted out the fact that two devs (me and Robbbert) and two testers (Anna and Kaylee) cannot launch BASIC from command line either. so it's not a problem in the way we launch the emulator. it's probably something *after* emulation is launched wink

Originally Posted By Anonymous01
Yes I know. MESS still needs to fix the copy/paste function. Well I'm not going to give up, but I am going to call it a day for now.


the unfortunate part is that it only works for you, at the moment frown

however, this does not change the great value of your contribution and I hope our comments does not sound ungrateful. it's mostly the excitement of having new tapes to try and the frustration of not being able to do so because of issues with the BASIC

Anyway, thanks again a lot for the tapes. smile


EDIT: cool we now have a working BASIC tape! w00t!!!


I don't know if I should be happy or pissed, but you're welcome for the tapes. wink

Re: Apple-1 Cassettes [Re: Anon] #76809 02/03/12 11:21 AM
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the only thing I can think of, at this point, is that maybe you packed a different version of the BASIC wav than the one you are using.

it's a bit strange that the other BASIC works and yours only works at your end...

can you check if your wav file matches the following you included in the pack above:

Code:
apple1basic.wav 
size=6644780
crc32=cd5cf5a4
sha1=ef58e776683581ea6af869ee7775fc0d3ad577b9

Re: Apple-1 Cassettes [Re: Robbbert] #76810 02/03/12 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted By Robbbert
Anonymous01: I loaded and ran Hammurabi, seems fine.

Haze: You could be right.


Itís good to know one of my basic waves is working.

Re: Apple-1 Cassettes [Re: etabeta78] #76811 02/03/12 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted By etabeta78
the only thing I can think of, at this point, is that maybe you packed a different version of the BASIC wav than the one you are using.

it's a bit strange that the other BASIC works and yours only works at your end...

can you check if your wav file matches the following you included in the pack above:

Code:
apple1basic.wav 
size=6644780
crc32=cd5cf5a4
sha1=ef58e776683581ea6af869ee7775fc0d3ad577b9


I don't have to check. I know it matches! I hope that answered your question.

I'm sure you and your team have this under control. I'm tired and my anger is starting to bleed through.

Have a good day.

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