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I got Mattel Sub Chase and Tomytronics Break Up. Sub Chase uses the same chip that was in Mattel Armor Battle that I sent to Kevin.
Break Up has a 28 SDIP labeled MP2726 and a TMS1025 40 SDIP. I decapped the MP2726 and the die is marked 1040B. That makes it the first TMS1040 I've seen. The only info I've found is on Datamath.org. The only pinout I have of the TMS1025 is on the one-page "Texas Instruments Microprocessor and Memory Products TMS 1000 Family Pinouts" sheet, but they swapped the pinouts for it and the TMS1200.
I also de-globbed Sears Auto Race. It looks like instead of an MCU that it has a custom VLSI, like Simon.
I'll put together some pictures.
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Dumped most of the micros from this lot; having trouble with the HD38820A88/89 though; the data is coming out off by 1 somewhat randomly; guessing I am not clocking it fast enough or too fast, so I might have to dork with it.
Both amadar and jungler have the konami logo on the CPU, and the konami name/logo is on the PCB also; both use an itron VFD like on coleco frogger, too. Fairly interesting.
I wonder if konami designed these for coleco, but then coleco stopped selling them so they got CGL/gakken to distribute/make them.
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Mattel Auto Race should have a Rockwell MCU, is the Sears one a newer release?
Yeah, TMS1025 is an I/O expander like the 1024. Did you trace it to understand how the chip works? If not, I'm sure we can find out with trial & error. A pinout would be awesome though: which pin goes to which LED, which TMS1040 pin goes to which TMS1025, etc.
TMS1040: can you see differences on the die when compared to the standard TMS1000?
kevtris: with more of those Konami (Mitsubishi, was it?) MCU dumps now, I'm confident enough to start a new mcu emu core =) - the more 'test cases' the better
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Mattel Auto Race has a Rockwell B6000, which looks like the same B6001 that's in Battlestar Galactica, except for the ROM. There are no identifying marks on the Sears die except RMR-0012. So I'm not sure if this is a licensed Mattel cost-reduced game or if it's a knockoff.
I will trace the pinout of Break Up and post it with the other info.
I haven't composited the TMS1040 pics yet, but visually it looked similar enough to a TMS1000- ROM, RAM and PLAs in the same places. Datamath's comparison table shows all the same info as for the 1070.
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Which Sears Auto Race do you have? (There's two, one where the track is horizontal, and the other one has a vertical track like Mattel) http://www.handheldmuseum.com/Sears/AutoRace.htmI don't think Sears ever licensed from Mattel. I know the horizontal one is a licensed game from Tiger (Tiger Raceway, their clone of Mattel's game). The vertical one appears to be licensed from Dynamic Toys (I think they are the maker)- http://www.handheldmuseum.com/Misc/DynamicToysDynamicRace.htmThere's a couple knock-off versions of the vertical format that got licensed all over the world it seems... I have both of the Sears games, if I can find them I'll take a peek inside and see if they are the same chips or not.
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I have the vertical one that looks like Dynamic Race. The PCB has a logo that looks like TCL : www.seanriddle.com/searsautoracepcb.jpgThe die just says RMR-0012. I guess those traces that have been drilled out are for testing that the PCB was made correctly? I see that all the time.
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usually those holes are there to break all the circuits apart after gold plating. the routes are all joined so that they can be plated, then they are punched/drilled to break the circuits apart.
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I uploaded info on Castle Toy Co Einstein and Mattel Funtronics Red Light Green Light. Both use Nat Semi COP MCUs; RLGL has a COP410L die bonded directly to the PCB, and Einstein has a COP421 (not L). I had to lower the voltage on SI to 1.5v to get the COP421 to go into ROM dump mode. I dumped RLGL both visually and electronically. There's one bit under some dirt, but it's difficult to clean because I don't want to damage the bond wires. I did wind up breaking the bond wire to the green LED; I've been careful with the board, but something must have touched it. Maybe it happened when I removed the plastic that covers the LEDs. www.seanriddle.com/cop410l.htmlwww.seanriddle.com/cop421l.htmlThere are a couple of crappy videos of Einstein to help with the timing: www.seanriddle.com/einstein1.movwww.seanriddle.com/einstein2.mov
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Your Einstein dump is incomplete? COP42x is 1KB.
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I forgot to mention that- it dumped 512 bytes of 0s as well. So I guess they only needed 1/2 the space? I disassembled the code and didn't notice anything obviously wrong (like calls to the other half of the address space), but if there are issues, I can decap the chip and check it out.
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